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    And we likely would not have Manu Ginobili now...




    You aren't impressing me with your insight objective...
    and why wouldn't we have Ginobili now?

    Same money would have been available to sign him, don't forget he and Barry signed the same summer.

    Oh wait, because he wouldn't want to . . . come off the bench?

    LOL
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    Some thoughts from a “neutral” basketball fan.

    This was not a good trade for the Spurs for only one reason. They didn’t receive enough for both Butler and the rights to Scola. If this had been a straight up trade of Butler for the Melancholic Greek OR the rights to Scola for a second-round pick, I don’t think we’d see all the outrage. However, this amounts to two lopsided deals done for purely financial reasons, with no talent in return. I don’t think you’ll find anyone willing to say that this was a “great” deal for SA. The question then becomes, “How bad is it?”

    It is important to remember that the NBA labor pool is not a zero-sum game. A player may be more valuable to Team A than to Team B or C. This is fairly self-evident, but I will cite an example. Compare Dennis Rodman’s worth to the Spurs to his value to the Pistons and Bulls.

    In short, Scola’s rights and Butler had very little value to San Antonio. Conversely, these players represent much greater value to Houston. The problem is that the Spurs received little or no value in return, rather than receiving anything close to what the players were worth to Houston. This essentially happened twice in one trade. I understand that the Spurs were not in a good bargaining position, but you can’t get taken to the woodshed twice on the same deal.

    My real concern is that when you are on top, it is difficult to stay there, and there is nowhere to go but downhill. Obviously, Butler wasn’t going to play significant minutes with the Spurs. The problem is that a team cannot continue to trade talent for cap relief, while receiving no talent in return. That is your classic downward spiral.
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    Well, it's like taking a Kenny Thomas, Mo Taylor, or, well, Juwan Howard type 4 and giving him to the Rockets (oddly enough all 3 of those guys have spent time in Houston). Obviously it improves them over where they were, but yeah, it doesn't exactly make them serious contenders. Still, it sucks to see the Spurs willing to sell off talent to a very good team in their own division.
    I'd be willing to say that a 27yr old Luis Scola is more valuable than an over-the-hill Juwan Howard. Even if he's just as good, they pull even with their team from last year. Keep in mind, they also added Mike James, who adds some toughness, defense, and another scoring punch outside of Yao/McGrady. And of course there's Butler, who gives them additional depth at the 4 and 5 in case Yao gets hurt and/or Dikembe lives up to the expectation that his age brings...

    Bottom Line: Spurs took the Rockets from a decent playoff-bound team in their division and made them a borderline Championship contender. People forget about the myriad of injuries and the lack of depth they had last year....Chuck Hayes is a good D-League player and 8th guy in the rotation, but he's not a starting PF.
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    Bottom Line: Spurs took the Rockets from a decent playoff-bound team in their division and made them a borderline Championship contender.
    I don't see how the fact that Rockets will spend their MLE on Scola (a rookie) will make them really better than spending their MLE on a player like Joe Smith.
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    For being such a poor shotblocker, it's weird how he and Mahinmi have the same stats.

    huh, how would you explain it?
    Um...because Scola is as good as he is ever going to be, plays starters minutes...and Ian has barely started playing, and got virtually no minutes last year.


    You do realize it's completely assinine to compare per 48 minutes like this don't you? One guy is getting minutes...the other guy isn't.


    If Tim Duncan only got 5 minutes per game do you think his per 48 stats would be the same?


    You can't judge per 48 for a guy getting 5 minutes per game. He's barely getting time to get into the game and get warmed up.

    Have you ever played sports before?



    MAYBE, just maybe, it takes more than athleticism and leaping skills and long arms to be a good shotblocker.

    Just look at Elson.

    And just maybe if you'd ever watched Ian play you'd immediately back away from the claim that he and Scola are the same caliber of shotblocker...
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    Oh and thanks Sam...

    So like I was saying, Scola is an asshole...


    He's been an asshole since the night we drafted him...


    It'd have been better if I wasn't drafted at all - Luis Scola Draft Night 2002.



    And Arg Spurs fan...


    Go root for the Rockets you dumb piece of ....you're a bigger disgrace to Argentina than Delfino and Scola.

    Manu and Oberto > Scola

    You obviously feel different...take a ing hike. Go root for TMac and Yao.


    Scola is an asshole...I am glad he's not going to play for the Spurs...
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    I Only know one thing

    In the NBA there´s a rule

    "Never trade Big for Small"

    What about: Trade 2 Bigs for 1 small"
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    So I guess all you Argies are going to jump ship to the Rockets now...

    Adios. Sorry but every one born on Argentine soil doesn't gold no matter how you may want to believe it...


    Two Argies play here and love it here...one doesn't.

    I guess the two that do love it here don't matter as much as the asshole that doesn't.

    Good luck enjoying the Rockets season this year...

    Hope TMac stays healthy...hope Adelman can figure out a way to install his uptempo offense with the most down tempo C in the NBA.


    As for me...I liked Oberto and Manu better than Scola from day one...I like their character better, I like the heart better...I like their willingness to believe in themselves enough to trust the Spurs to treat them fairly if it was what they deserved.


    I watched Delfino whine like a little about the minutes he deserved...and I have yet to see him justify it.


    Scola has been a whining since the night we drafted him...and the underlying reason is obvious...because he's a PF and the team that drafted him has the greatest PF in NBA history...figure it out...s'not Rocket Science...it was Scola that never wanted to be a Spur...


    That's the first words out of his mouth the night he was drafted were: "it'd have been better if I hadn't been drafted at all."

    Yeah...the Spurs were the assholes there.
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    And all you guys that think the Spurs are the asshole here need to take a look at the backstory between the Spurs and Robertas Javtokas...then tell me who the greedy assholes are.

    All I know is players that are more worried about getting paid and featured than winning, don't belone on the Spurs...I want no part of them, and I've yet to regret losing one of them...

    Whether their name was Derek Anderson...or Robertas Javtokas...or Luis Scola.


    And Manu and Oberto are going to flush Scola...they are better than he is.
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    and why wouldn't we have Ginobili now?

    Same money would have been available to sign him, don't forget he and Barry signed the same summer.

    Oh wait, because he wouldn't want to . . . come off the bench?

    LOL

    Um...how in the do you figure Jack and Barry make the same amount?
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    I guess this means that all the Spurs' fans now in full panic mode have elevated the Rockets to the top of the pile and the team the Spurs can't beat subs uting them for last year's teams the Spurs can't beat the Mavs and Suns.
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    You are wrong. Scola wanted desperately to play for the Spurs. He just got screwed by a ty deal.
    That's correct, for Luis it would have been great to play in his first NBA year alongside real buddies like Oberto and Ginobili...BTW, there's wasn't a single badmouthing registered of Scola against the Spurs....I don't know why are people so sure Scola didn't want to come to Spurs.
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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4967005.html
    Rockets reach 'basic agreement' with Scola
    Deal would pay Argentine star $10 million over three years

    Complete Rockets coverage The Rockets have come to a "basic agreement" with Argentine star Luis Scola, less than 24 hours after acquiring his draft rights from the San Antonio Spurs.

    "We're working on the contract, but we've got a basic agreement, an understanding," George Bass, Scola's agent said Friday.

    "He's actually taking the physical right now in Argentina."

    The Rockets traded guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round draft pick and cash to the Spurs for the rights to Scola and center Jackie Butler.

    Scola is expected to sign a three-year deal worth roughly $10 million.

    "He's so excited, he probably didn't sleep a wink last night." Bass said.

    "He's thrilled, this has been his dream for five years."

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    3 years woth 10 million when he has an offer from Tau for 5 years 14 million?
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    3 years woth 10 million when he has an offer from Tau for 5 years 14 million?
    10 mill euro, probably tax-free (most Tau contracts are listed Tax free, Rakocevic, Scola's teammate, earns 1.1 mill euro tax-free)...

    That's for the ones saying Scola was looking for money as his primary reason, he'll get less than what is offered in Europe to play in the NBA...

    I still insist that there was never a do ented evidence of him badmouthing the Spurs, neither evidence of him demanding huge salaries....and I insist that it was a HUGE mistake FO not being able to give Scola the same money given to Bonner in a contract.
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    This must be the worst trade in spurs history
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    Ok, that is such a bad trade that it's hard to believe.

    We gave away a 22yo big man with potential and SCOLA for a guard who has said:

    ""It's not about money. It's not about playing time. It's not about anything else. They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would he would say, 'No, I cannot.' "



    That is a HORRIBLE move. Surely they could have packaged Beno and Scola for something better than that and kept Butler???

    Is this part of the 2008 FA plan? It frees up about 3 mil from Butler, how much over the MLE will we be able to offer now, anyone?
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    I really can't belive this was the best we could have gotten for those two.
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    i think Dennis also got a nice tip from Rockets
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    Here is possibly more on the deal that fell through that would have sent Scola to Cleveland and Butler to Sacramento.

    The on-again, off-again, on-again trade discussions with the Sacramento Kings about point guard Mike Bibby are off again, according to several sources close to the situation. The deal, according to the sources, would have included Drew Gooden, Damon Jones and a third team. But somewhere between that third team, possibly the San Antonio Spurs, the deal fell through.

    http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plai...511.xml&coll=2
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    Ludden in an E-mail respone to questons, posted on a thread here I think, said Cleveland wanted Scola but wanted no part of Butler. It seems, contrary to widespread belief here, Butler is viewed as undesireable by teams because he's incapable of communicating on the floor and is a BIG defensive liability. That most GMs were amazed that Butler was ever signed by the Spurs knowing he could never fit in with their complex defensive scheme. Maybe Pop's hubris that he can teach anybody to play defense got the better of him.
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    That explains a lot.
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    I like how we prevented Mike Bibby to the Cavs
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    And all you guys that think the Spurs are the asshole here need to take a look at the backstory between the Spurs and Robertas Javtokas...then tell me who the greedy assholes are.

    All I know is players that are more worried about getting paid and featured than winning, don't belone on the Spurs...I want no part of them, and I've yet to regret losing one of them...

    Whether their name was Derek Anderson...or Robertas Javtokas...or Luis Scola.


    And Manu and Oberto are going to flush Scola...they are better than he is.
    Oberto will be in his third year in the league and should show even more improvement in his game and in Pop' s scheme. Scola will be in his first and experience growing pains much like Oberto did in his forgettable first year with us. I'll take a more experienced Oberto.
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    I'd like to see something in the form of a quote or a link indicating that Luis Scola wanted to play in San Antonio.

    The following scenario just doesn't add up to me:

    1) The Spurs had his rights
    2) The Spurs were high on Scola
    3) The Spurs and Scola can't get a deal done for years, then
    4) A day after his rights are traded to a new team, Scola is agreeing to a deal

    Were the Spurs offering THAT much less than the Rockets, or did Scola just not want to come?
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