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    and this is why its funny watching both sides argue,,,,but are too stupid to see ya'll are one in the same,,,,,Obama is your democrats idol. That is fact. Just like Trump is to republicans. Remember Maxine Waters calling for civil unrest on all reublicans who supported or worked for Trump....sound just like you definition of fascism,,,only it fits the democrat party too,,,but carry on guys and gals,,,,knock yourselves out on who is holier than the other,,,,
    I don't idolize Obama. I never had it easier voting third party during his elections. You instantly lose credibility with your aspersions by brain dead categorization.

    Just look at their respective platforms. Obama campaigned on transparency, justice reforms, peace in Afghanistan, and of course health care. Now of course Obama contradicted or fell short on most of those promises but that is besides the point. Their was a clear message of policy as well as the hope nonsense.

    Now compare that to Trump and his current support. What are Trump's policies right now? Other than free speech as pertains to his ass whoopings in court and the counter rallies to the debates, Trump has no policy and much less a cohesive message about one.

    But you guy are legion in your mindless devotion. You have no idea what you are devoting yourself to outside of a reactionary impulse of 'not liberal' and orange man good. Nonetheless Trump gets dominant GOP support almost entirely on his cult of personality.

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    Then throw the insurrection in that he is about to be convicted in relationship to and you can clearly see the parallels to 20th century fascist leaders.

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    What 20th century European leader was convicted of insurrection and did prison time before rising to power later in his career?

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    1. Fantasy. There is no true and false. There is no such thing as lying. There are just “stories,” as Vance says. So in one world (let’s call it the real world, for old-time’s sake), a cat disappeared for a moment, as cats will, and then reappeared, as cats will, in the basement. In another world, the Trump-Vance fantasy world, that cat was eaten by Haitians, as part of a general trend of pet consumption, one which justifies their deportation and our outrage etc.

    What does a story like this bring to the Trump-Vance campaign? It clearly brings something: let’s remember 2016, the last time Trump ran from outside the White House. Halloween-season fantasies of a similar kind, generally originating in Russia, saved his campaign. But how does this work? To answer, we need to consider the other two parts of the political theory.


    2. Impotence. Central to the Trump-Vance campaign is a politics of impotence. The government cannot actually do anything for the average citizen. (In the background, of course, a smaller, dysfunctional government creates a void filled by the oligarchs, which is the practical implication of this theory). In elaborating the cats-and-dogs fantasy about his home state, Vance is revealing to us his theory of federal power.



    Here it is: the power of the the federal government is to be used to find a cat which is not in fact lost. That’s it. Nothing more. That is what the average citizen can expect from a Trump-Vance regime. Project 2025 expels the civil servants who know what to do, nothing works anymore except for oligarchs and pals of the president, and the rest of us get Schrödinger’s Cat.


    A person holding a position of authority and responsibility in the federal government has no other role than to talk about things that are not true and pass on responsibility for the untruth to the media, as Vance does. Remember: Vance is a United States Senator representing Ohio. If there were some actual problem in Ohio he could propose to address it with legislation. But he cannot and will not do so, not only because there is no actual problem, but because he must personify impotent government.


    3. Fascism. In the Trump-Vance political theory, government acts not in the normal way, by laws, but as an instrument of the fury of the people. There is no legal basis, or indeed any basis at all, to call for the Haitian population of Springfield, Ohio to be deported. The people in question are here legally, as Trump and Vance know, and did nothing, as Trump and Vance also know.



    In fascism, the government becomes the will of the people, or rather the race, as embodied in a single person. A fantasy of evil done by others is deliberately invoked to create a sense of us and them. Government exercises power by taking revenge on groups, for example by deporting them (the first large-scale action of Hitler’s SS, by the way, was deporting immigrants).


    Such a mass deportation would be complicated and bloody, would require collaboration from citizens, and would set Americans against one another. We see a foretaste of this in Springfield, Ohio, with all the bomb threats.
    Us-and-them then becomes the normal form of politics, with us becoming complicit in ever more terrible actions, which incidentally make traditional government harder and our expectations of government lower. The government becomes impotent in the sense of protecting or supporting citizens, with politics now transferred to the battles on the streets.


    And then the people in power think up the the next fantasy. And the government becomes more impotent, leaving space for the oligarchs and generating more reasons for Americans to fight one another.
    That’s the political theory. Fantasy-Impotence-Fascism. And it can become, as we are seeing, political practice.
    https://braddelong.substack.com/cp/149246956

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    George Washington, on Sept 19, 1796
    I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.


    This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.


    The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his compe ors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.


    Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.


    It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

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    Johnson cannot control his party/crazies and needs Dem's support to pass a 3 month CR

    The House Rules Committee on Monday opted against voting on a short-term spending bill that would avert a government shutdown, setting the stage for a scenario in which House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) will need to rely on Democrats to pass the contentious measure.

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    "the enemy within"

    Trump says the most dangerous enemy is other Americans who disagree with him, and that a smart president would put them down with US armed forces.



    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1844837636625625466

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