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I don't think anybody in this thread wanted a Hinrich deal..I mentioned him as a way for the Bulls to get cap space to sign Haywood, and Chieflion mentioned the Spurs as a 3rd team that would help in a Hinrich trade..
I know people always get excited to talk trades, especially with an underperforming team, but the hype over thomas-who imho wouldn't change a damn thing this year-is way over the top. And are you kidding hinrich? How in the world would that help. Desperation it seems. Doubt any trade with the bulls goes down and i'd be upset if it did.
I don't think anybody in this thread wanted a Hinrich deal..I mentioned him as a way for the Bulls to get cap space to sign Haywood, and Chieflion mentioned the Spurs as a 3rd team that would help in a Hinrich trade..
a 3-teams trade with Hinrich landing elsewhere and Salmons going to the Spurs might be a nice option. Spurs do have the tools (expiring contracts) to make this work.
edit: just thought about what teams were mentioned to be interested in Hinrich - Lakers and Celtics.....
no way we help the Lakers to cover one of their few needs. (unfortunately they would have the needed expiring contracts anyhow). Celtics? maybe. if they don't want to use Allen's contract for a Hinrich trade, they would need help.
Last edited by mountainballer; 02-08-2010 at 08:25 AM.
one thought about TT:
some of you think that leadership and environment of the Spurs veterans will keep him in control.
but the reason for his suspension was a conflict with Vinny about playing time. TT plays 22 minutes per game. does anyone see this increase significantly with the Spurs? me neither.
(and if, it would be at the expense of Blair)
Thomas thinks he is a star and should be starting and play 35 MPG. and he is afraid that low minutes will cost him a lot of money when he becomes a FA this summer. (he has good reasons to fear this)
bottom line: the chance to get an unhappy player who only cares for his own stats is likely bigger than what could be expected from the "good influence" thing from the Spurs.
I don't agree with this. He's basically mad that a rookie came in and stole his job. (Taj Gibson). He'll get over it eventually. And as stated before, he could very well earn a starting spot alongside Duncan which would probably mean at least 25+ minutes of PT a night. And even if he's not a starter then I would be willing to bet he's not going to pout that McDyess (a 13 year veteran) is starting ahead of him as long as he has a solid role on the team.
"We all get frustrated," veteran guard Lindsey Hunter (FSY) said. "You can't act out your frustrations. At some point, you have to grow up and be a man about it." He hopes Thomas will grow from this. "Maybe this'll help him understand he needs to get beyond some things," Hunter said.
hey, you think it's a one time affair? TT clashed with every coach he worked with in his short career. (Skiles called him lazy, Boylan suspended him for two games and now Vinny.)
he'll get over it, but wait for something different next week or next month. seems as if this guy is never happy. and I can't remember when any team requested a harder punishment for a teammate than the coach actually had decided, like the Bulls players did.
and remember, he is notorious for refusing to learn the playbook. you think this guy will be a starter for Pop???? wake up.
I thought the players requested Noah to sit out?
Is this still going??!! You guys are making up your own rumors and .
Yeah, i keep checking this to see if there is any real update on a real rumor. But this thread has turned into something else. I'm going to go to sleep until we get closer to the deadline.
hey I'm new here, but I have been reading you for a while, almost all 2010.
I'm the biggest spur fan here in barcelona, spain (btw roger mason came here last summer, i was looking for him but didn't met).
would you do a trade between jefferson plus roger mason for ray allen? the celts are looking to trade him and sure he would hit more threes than jefferson and he have championship experience. his defense isn't in bowen's level but jefferson hasn't been a defensive stopper.
PD: be kind with my english please, I'm not a regular speaker, it's my third language! lol
Trading Jefferson and Mason for Allen would definitely help our 3 point shooting and maybe even scoring but nothing else really. As much as Jefferson's game doesn't fit the Spurs system, he gives the Spurs length and size at the SF spot.
no to ray allen, that trade gives us an old 3 point shooter and we have nobody to play SF.
I think it's safe to say whatever that Kings announcer heard is not going to happen.
I sure do like his expiring contract though.
On the Block: Ray Allen, Celtics
SportingNews
With the Feb. 18 trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Celtics guard Ray Allen.
The facts: The Celtics are struggling, with a record of just 9-12 after their 23-5 start, and Allen is the most expendable part the team has. He is 34 and averaging just 16.0 points (his lowest output since his rookie year), while his 3-point shooting has all but collapsed—he’s down to 33.8 percent, well below the 39.6 percent he’s shot over his career. The Celtics led the league in 3-point percentage last year but are just 15th this year.
Bait needed: The Celtics would like to boost their athleticism on the wings, and they want to fix the sagging perimeter shooting. Boston would also like to add to its depth in general, so a deal for Allen would have to bring back multiple useful parts.
Welcome mat: Because Allen has an expiring contract that comes in at $19.7 million, he has been linked to just about every team looking to clear out cap space and onerous contracts—most recently to the Kings for SG Kevin Martin. Before that, it was the Bulls, for G Kirk Hinrich and F Tyrus Thomas. And there was the fairly absurd notion that the Warriors would trade G Monta Ellis to the Celtics for Allen. Detroit, Phoenix, Philadelphia—name an NBA city and Allen has likely been rumored to be going there.
Logic test: Early this month, Celtics president Danny Ainge stated pretty emphatically that he was not trading Allen and that he believes this group of Celtics can win a championship. He told Allen personally that he wasn’t seeking to make a trade, and though things can change quickly, it’s unlikely that Ainge would do a 180-degree turn before the deadline.
So they say: "For me, I just keep playing basketball. It’s not my job to sit here and worry and let it stress me or bog me down. You know, it was great to sit there and talk to Danny because he and I have a great relationship." —Allen, quoted in the Boston Herald
Bottom line: The Celtics would have to consider dealing Allen only if they were acquiring a player who could be an immediate improvement in the short term and wouldn’t blow the payroll in the long term. But, the general feeling among GMs around the league is that Boston will not make any major trades.
Anthony Randolph is on the block
By Kurt Helin
Can I interest you in an athletic legend of Summer League, an incredibly talented but young and injured player? If so, Anthony Randolph can be yours if the price is right, just ask Golden State General Manager Larry Riley.
Will you have to trade one of your four highest-paid players?
We're not trading Monta Ellis, and we're not trading Stephen Curry. And if we have to trade some of the other players, we're going to look at it. It's very difficult to take what we have and trade for a star. So we have to trade for a good player and get some help for our team. There will be somebody who will probably trade that the fan base won't necessarily like. ... We do have to move a guy. We do have to move a guy to get where we want to go.
Reading between the lines, that likely means Randolph.
Trading for Randolph is a matter of delayed gratification -- he is out the rest of the season with a torn ankle ligaments. You are betting that he can bounce back from that.
If he does bounce back, you get a lot of potential. Randolph has a world of raw talent, he is athletic, can get his own shot and finish at the rim. His shooting percentage is a bit low but if you could get him to stop taking those 16- to 23-foot jumpers he can't hit (just 33% this season) things would be a lot better. He's had other growing pains in the league (like learning to defend), but he is also the second youngest player in the league and only in his second season. He has room to grow out of those pains.
Because of that, Riley is going to anger a lot of Bay Area fans if and when he trades Randolph. But he has already taken plenty of heat for cutting Speedy Claxton, and his $5.2 million expiring contract and trade bait, rather than trying to get something for him. Riley doesn't seem to mind the heat.
Trading for an injured player goes against every general manager's instinct. But if you can wait, what young building team could not use a 6' 10" forward that can run the floor and score inside?
mountainballer? tav1?
Are you ready and willing to pack RJ's bags?
don't forget that ray allen and manu will be FA this summer, that would leave a lot of space to go for bosh.
and I'm sure that allen's IQ is higher than jefferson. sure that we would loose some athletiscm, but we don't need a big small forward in the spurs sistem. we have had three rings with bowen and he was more or less ray allen and manu's height.
with parker running the point, hill at SG and allen at SF, with manu, finley and bogans (or hairston or a FA) from the bench I think we could improve.
I'd give up a lot for Anthony Randolph. If a team can tame his game just a little bit, he has superstar potential.
How would you feel about sending out RJ for Maggette and Randolph (possibly including Mason, Bell and filler)?
I do that as soon as it's on the table.
Maggette's contract would suck but if Holt signs off on it, you pretty much have to do it.
mountainballer through this out a while back:
RJ+Fin+Ian+Haislip+ (1st rounder 2011 if needed)
for
Maggette+Randolph+Bell
Obviously some of the components can and need to change, but you get the gist (not to be confused with James).
Yeah, it's been my favorite suggested trade but Maggette's play left you to wonder if Randolph could still be had as a sweetener.
I'm not sure there's a more feasible and better trade for the franchise, both short and long-term.
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