Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[raybies]

So with minny doing a sign and trade with Okc, that leaves the mle for brewer. Does this leave a s&t with us open?

[rayray2k8]

Looks like the day is over.. Will wait and find out tomorrow for anything new. Surprised the spurs haven't made any signings yet.
Wonder what could be holding it up?

[Sean Cagney]

Looks like the day is over.. Will wait and find out tomorrow for anything new. Surprised the spurs haven't made any signings yet.
Wonder what could be holding it up?

Something is, but knowing the SPURS it is nothing like we are thinking or speculating in here.

[LarryDavid]

a 30 page thread after an article says talks are over

we the best!

Can't blame people until the contracts are signed. There's still a window of opportunity. An 8 second window, but sometimes that's all you need...

[SpurPadre]

Something is, but knowing the SPURS it is nothing like we are thinking or speculating in here.

A real nice pipe dream would involve Lamarcus Aldridge demanding to be traded and we somehow work out a deal for him...but that is the most delusional outcome possible and so I'm just thinking of what we might go after in the days leading up to the trade deadline.

[coyotes_geek]

Bulls just waived Richard Hamilton so they are under the Cap and can take on a player.

False. They're still over the tax even after cutting Hamilton.

Pacer's are well below the Tax line and could take on another player as well.

They could, but why would they want to? Who are the Spurs going to give up that makes it worth their while?

Salaries don't have to Match. Spurs can take on more salaries than given up b/c they weren't a Luxury Tax team last year.

Salaries do have to match. Being a taxpayer just means the percentage teams have to get within is narrower than it is for nontaxpayers. For both Belinelli and Pendergraph, the Spurs would be limited to taking back 150%+$100k of what they sent out. That means to add Pendergraph at a $2 mil salary the Spurs would have to send out at least $1.26 in salary. That's De Colo. For Beilinelli at $2.5 mil salary, they'd have to send out $1.6. That's Mills + Baynes.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82

Spurs could throw in a 2nd round pick as well if need be. I forgot how much 2nd round picks are worth like $500,000 are something like that in trade value.

Draft picks count as $0 in trade value. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

[rjv]

For both Belinelli and Pendergraph, the Spurs would be limited to taking back 150%+$100k of what they sent out. That means to add Pendergraph at a $2 mil salary the Spurs would have to send out at least $1.26 in salary. That's De Colo. For Beilinelli at $2.5 mil salary, they'd have to send out $1.6. That's Mills + Baynes.

seems weird to say but i'd hate to lose baynes just yet

[Bruno]

I'm not sure how Bucks will make the Ridnour trade work while making the offer sheet to Teague. I guess they would amnestied Gooden, keep Jennings rights and wait 3 days before signing some of the players they agreed contracts with. If Atlanta doesn't match Teague offer, they will then renounce at Jennings and sign their new players. This scenario will require free agents being fine with waiting 3 days before signing their new contracts.

Regarding Pendergraph, and idea thrown by another poster few days ago (I don't remember who it is, sorry) but it's possible he and Spurs have agreed in principle to two different contracts. The first one would be a 2 years min contract for a total of about $2M with a player option on the second year. The second one would be a 2 years $4M total contract with Spurs having a team option on the second year. It would explain why Woj didn't report numbers for that agreement and the McDonald report of $4M.

[Sean Cagney]

False. They're still over the tax even after cutting Hamilton.



They could, but why would they want to? Who are the Spurs going to give up that makes it worth their while?



Salaries do have to match. Being a taxpayer just means the percentage teams have to get within is narrower than it is for nontaxpayers. For both Belinelli and Pendergraph, the Spurs would be limited to taking back 150%+$100k of what they sent out. That means to add Pendergraph at a $2 mil salary the Spurs would have to send out at least $1.26 in salary. That's De Colo. For Beilinelli at $2.5 mil salary, they'd have to send out $1.6. That's Mills + Baynes.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82



Draft picks count as $0 in trade value. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

Thank you sir!

[Chinook]

I'm not sure how Bucks will make the Ridnour trade work while making the offer sheet to Teague. I guess they would amnestied Gooden, keep Jennings rights and wait 3 days before signing some of the players they agreed contracts with. If Atlanta doesn't match Teague offer, they will then renounce at Jennings and sign their new players. This scenario will require free agents being fine with waiting 3 days before signing their new contracts.

Regarding Pendergraph, and idea thrown by another poster few days ago (I don't remember who it is, sorry) but it's possible he and Spurs have agreed in principle to two different contracts. The first one would be a 2 years min contract for a total of about $2M with a player option on the second year. The second one would be a 2 years $4M total contract with Spurs having a team option on the second year. It would explain why Woj didn't report numbers for that agreement and the McDonald report of $4M.

Who would agree to take themselves off the market so early for a two-year minimum deal? If anything, I'd think it'd be the other way around. Where he'd get a $4M/2 deal or a $2M/2 deal with a player option after the first year.

[coyotes_geek]

I've solved the Pendergraph problem. Pendergraph's conscious gets the better of him and he concedes that's he's just a league min player.

On a completely unrelated note, tune in this fall for San Antonio's newest reality show, "Pine Time with Pendergraph", starring Jeff Pendergraph. Brought to you by Valero and H.E.B. San Antonians, buy our gas and brisket, because you ing owe us!!!

[Bruno]

Who would agree to take themselves off the market so early for a two-year minimum deal? If anything, I'd think it'd be the other way around. Where he'd get a $4M/2 deal or a $2M/2 deal with a player option after the first year.

That's what I said. Either $2M total with a player option or $4M total with a team option.

[TheGoldStandard]

I've solved the Pendergraph problem. Pendergraph's conscious gets the better of him and he concedes that's he's just a league min player.

On a completely unrelated note, tune in this fall for San Antonio's newest reality show, "Pine Time with Pendergraph", starring Jeff Pendergraph. Brought to you by Valero and H.E.B. San Antonians, buy our gas and brisket, because you ing owe us!!!

Hahaha..

[Chinook]

That's what I said. Either $2M total with a player option or $4M total with a team option.

Indeed you did. I didn't see where you said that. Never mind my objection then.

Still seems sort of far-fetched that he'd risk getting half compensation. But maybe having his coach on board could convince him otherwise?

The Pacers seem like the easiest team to execute a sign-and-trade with, anyhow. They need competent guards.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

False. They're still over the tax even after cutting Hamilton.



They could, but why would they want to? Who are the Spurs going to give up that makes it worth their while?



Salaries do have to match. Being a taxpayer just means the percentage teams have to get within is narrower than it is for nontaxpayers. For both Belinelli and Pendergraph, the Spurs would be limited to taking back 150%+$100k of what they sent out. That means to add Pendergraph at a $2 mil salary the Spurs would have to send out at least $1.26 in salary. That's De Colo. For Beilinelli at $2.5 mil salary, they'd have to send out $1.6. That's Mills + Baynes.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82



Draft picks count as $0 in trade value. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

Bulls are right at the Tax line, but the fact that they have only 10 players under contract, they are going to have to acquire 3 more players anyways.

And just to let you know Decolo is schedule to make 1.46 mil this year and Mills and Baynes a combined 1.9mil. Spurs have also 3.2 mil in Cash they can payout in trades this year. so they could give the Bulls and Pacers the cash to buyout and waive and players they took on in the trade if they wanted to waive them. The fact that Pendergraph and Marco's contracts are so small, the Spurs have alot of scenarios to make a S&T easily work.

The Spurs have alot of avenues they can take to acquire Belinelli and Pendergraph and still keep their full MLE.

[Sean Cagney]

Bulls are right at the Tax line, but the fact that they have only 10 players under contract, they are going to have to acquire 3 more players anyways.

And just to let you know Decolo is schedule to make 1.46 mil this year and Mills and Baynes a combined 1.9mil. Spurs have also 3.2 mil in Cash they can payout in trades this year. so they could give the Bulls and Pacers the cash to buyout and waive and players they took on in the trade if they wanted to waive them. The fact that Pendergraph and Marco's contracts are so small, the Spurs have alot of scenarios to make a S&T easily work.

The Spurs have alot of avenues they can take to acquire Belinelli and Pendergraph and still keep their full MLE.

Full MLE for who though? If not AK then who? FA's are running thin out there and we don't know if the SPURS kept their FULL MLE yet at all. I keep seeing that in this thread, but it's all speculation at this point here.

[Kindergarten Cop]

FWIW, I hadn't heard any other teams expressing interest other than San Antonio and Cleveland - but according to this site, both OKC and Brooklyn have expressed interest in trading for AK47.

http://fansided.com/2013/07/10/nba-f...rei-kirilenko/

I don't know if the OKC interest is accurate, or the author had heard of OKC's trade speculation with Minnesota (Martin for a TE) and assumed that they were targeting Kirilenko.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Full MLE for who though? If not AK then who? FA's are running thin out there and we don't know if the SPURS kept their FULL MLE yet at all. I keep seeing that in this thread, but it's all speculation at this point here.

We don't know. We won't know what the Spurs have officially done until all these players sign on the bottom line and the smoke clears. My guess is it's for AK. Now that most of the FA having been signed no team can offer AK more than the MLE. Not even the Bobcats as I didn't realize that had a 4.3 million Qualifying offer to Henderson which pushes their salaries at this point to 53 mil.

So I am curious as you as what the Spurs want to do at this point, but the consensus is they are trying to sign AK to the roster this year, which is more than likely the case right now.

[Chinook]

Brooklyn has no more future to trade away for old players. AK would have to take the mMLE to go over there, and even then they don't need him.

[spursince#99]

FWIW, I hadn't heard any other teams expressing interest other than San Antonio and Cleveland - but according to this site, both OKC and Brooklyn have expressed interest in trading for AK47.

http://fansided.com/2013/07/10/nba-f...rei-kirilenko/

I don't know if the OKC interest is accurate, or the author had heard of OKC's trade speculation with Minnesota (Martin for a TE) and assumed that they were targeting Kirilenko.

Try again.

[Leetonidas]

But Brooklyn doesn't seem to give a who they get as long as they have a big name, plus their owner is Russian, so who knows. They obviously don't care about payroll or luxury tax

[Kindergarten Cop]

Try again.

[bluebellmaniac]

31 pages of speculation.... wow. Just woke up... are we any closer? Do we know anything yet? Any hints as to if we are in good position?

[apalisoc_9]

31 pages of speculation.... wow. Just woke up... are we any closer? Do we know anything yet? Any hints as to if we are in good position?

Still possible but highly unlikely.

[Texas_Ranger]

what is the highest number of pages for a guy that on the end did not come to the Spurs?