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I'm convinced it's part of PATFO brand at this point. They now they can't attract players to SA for the nightlife or scene, so it's about the loyalty and family style environment. Even if that's just branding (later, Danny LOL, later Bert).
They will trade up into the top 10
They will trade down
They will stand pat with the 11th pick
They will trade the pick for player(s)
Solid pick if not for the fact the Spurs have over 9000 guards already.
I'm convinced it's part of PATFO brand at this point. They now they can't attract players to SA for the nightlife or scene, so it's about the loyalty and family style environment. Even if that's just branding (later, Danny LOL, later Bert
LMA value as a 2nd banana has left the building. He's 35 years old now, and clearly never really cared about winning or losing, which is what really always made him a passenger, not a driver.
He had solid value for a contender when he was 33 maybe 34... the Spurs can't fully realize that value anymore. He would be a backup on a contender nowadays.
They should still eject him though, because he's burning money for a franchise that needs to either implode or rebuild.
The good news is that you probably don't have to wait 12 months until the next draft.
That's not how it works. You're assuming their goal was either to contend or to rebuild with an eye toward contending as soon as possible. If that were the case, they would've done that rumored trade for a third star even without Kawhi and tried to make a run. They didn't do that because they didn't believe they were a real contender anymore. I'm sure they hoped to make the playoffs for the next few years while the young guys developed. But they clearly aligned their contracts up to be able to try to win (games, not les) now and have the flexibility to try something else later.
You're seriously counting 2017-2018 as a year the Spurs should've tanked? Like yeah, if you were psychic. But they went that off-season with the plan to basically do with Kawhi what the Bucks just did with Giannis. There was nothing about that that was a decompression. That started once Kawhi was traded, and the Spurs have tailed off since then.Two years? 17-18 they lost in the first round to the dubs, 18-19 lost in the first round to the nuggets, 19-20 didn't make the playoffs.
That's your measure. The team's measure is simply the amount of dollars it gets. The product isn't what it used to be, but it's not as bad as it would be if they were tanking. The Sixers' ticket sales were pure doodoo. I feel like you keep restating my point as if I didn't make it before you started talking to me. The slow decompression is supposed to mean getting worse. Like ideally it wouldn't, but it's no different than what Dallas went through for the end of Dirk's career. Worked out fine for them.I'm talking about what I mentioned above. You measure in this league by how much you win or don't win. This franchise has been clearly in a steady decline since the Kawhi move, objectively so. See our track record above in the past 3 seasons.
They didn't have the option to keep Leonard, but they did have the option for what to take back. They chose DeRozan and not Kemba or any of the other packages. They also choice not to be more aggressive in trading up that year.I don't think I can because that wasn't necessarily their choice. Their choice was to retain Kawhi, but this league allows players to make that untenable. While I could nitpick about what they got in return, I feel they had to do something they didn't want to do in that particular case. I can't say the same for the rest.
I feel the same about Quin. I do believe Mills had some attention before the draft, and not just from Philly. I do believe the spurs are finally looking to actually move their veterans if the price is right. The spurs always play the game slow, I honestly expected the trades to come after the draft and they knew what they had before making any moves. Obviously, they're less likely to do anything but I would expect them to be more active now than before the draft. Teams that missed out on their players that want to make a run, will have plenty of veteran options on the spurs to call for. I think the spurs were smart in waiting.
Nobody drafted Killian Tillie?!? Either his medicals are horrific, or we should be looking to add him as a UDFA.
That was literally your goal. It's fine to want that goal. It wasn't their goal. That's why they didn't do it. Them not making the choice you want isn't incompetence.
Just wait a year til he leaves to retire as a Blazer. The full rebuild / 20 win years are coming.
#NuclearWinter
It is when you are in the position they are in. They were wrong. You’re acting like Sa has been successful with their plan and I’m just sour grapes. They are wrong. It failed and they aren’t addressing it.
Without a doubt, that's more likely.
Still, their price is higher now to any of those teams that couldn't make a deal or land the player they thought would help them. Especially as it seems more teams are vulnerable now than they were a couple weeks ago. Such as the lakers and warriors possibly losing key pieces.
How anyone is ok with these results is beyond me. Calling it incompetent or not the results suck and Sa is in big trouble.
Is there any disagreements there?
It's not, no matter how much you wanted them to do something else. They're literally still in the middle of the first step of their plan. Anyone who even bothered to check after at least Gay's deal should've known the Spurs' plan was to play out these two years. For some reason people are like, "but I didn't know the Spurs weren't going to be contenders". And it's like, "Yeah, what part of a team led by DMDR, LMA and Gay" made you think they were getting rings?" Do I think they intended to miss the playoffs? No. Do I think they intend to miss them this year? No. Do I think they consider getting an eight-seed and them seeing those guys walk for nothing a failure? Not in the least. I think they're perfectly willing to let those guys walk after getting a final year out of them.
My issue is that they don't seem to have a plan.
No one wants to watch the same team as last year, period. There is no merit to that and yet no changes were made.
You should be either contending or picking near the top of the draft. Being in this first round fodder limbo is the worst of all options.
What are we stalling for?
How are they in big trouble? You make it sound like they traded all of their picks for seven years on busts and are locked into horrible long-term deals. They're literally going into their first post-lottery season in forever and looking at full cap space and all of their picks save a 2022 second-rounder. The horror.
The price shouldn't have to be right, the price just shouldn't be wrong...
LMA, DDR, Mills, and Gay, can all leave for nothing next year. If you can get a young player with 2 years or more on a good contract or a future 1st round pick, even if heavily protected, spurs should do that deal. There is no guarantee these veteran players are helping the spurs win anything if they stay. They sure as didn't help win anything this year...
Definitely think they are wasting their chances to collect assets for the young core. I'm just hoping they plan to be active during the season and around the deadline. If the Spurs can somehow get at least another 2021 draft pick I'd call it a success by their standards.
Let's do two seasons then, it works out just the same. They're aren't winning now. And we've gone over the whole 2016 plan, which turned into the 2017 plan, which turned into the 2018 plan, etc, etc etc and it never pans out because there's no such plan.
There's no plan to fully tank, and there's no plan to have enough capspace to go try to grab Harden now or whoever is available at any given time. Those two things largely go hand in hand, and as long as you keep making decisions like handing out extra years to players like Gay, Mills, LMA or DDR, the 'plan' is never going to materialize.
We've gone over these 'plans' because 'contracts line up' in here for years, and we always end up in the same place, not surprisingly either.
There's no way they get more money missing the playoffs. No way. The money argument is simply ridiculous to justify this.
I would tend to agree the product would be worse, but we're not singing praises here either. This isn't a fanbase that hasn't seen what a contending team looks like and what a scrub team looks like, so you're not fooling anybody here.
This team has been junk for a while, and one would even argue that after the 16-17 run, if Kawhi stuck around, he needed help, and LMA was a prime candidate to move to do that. So this isn't a new complain either.
I'm not going to defend what they got back. I'm just simply stating that I'm pretty sure their long term plan wasn't to sour their relationship with Kawhi and have to trade him. In that sense, that was a development they didn't plan for, and when it happened, they had to try to make the best they could on it.
Yeah they missed the playoffs. Hence wrong. They built a team where they can’t even trade because no one wants them. How is that not wrong?
You’re telling me their plan was to have them be in the position in the Division/Conference that they are in? plan tbh.
And I’ve said repeatedly that keeping DDR + LMA doesn’t harm them. At all. It’s just a symptom of their lack of vision, direction and ability to pull themselves out of the hole their decisions have placed them in
Ok, we keep the vets and run it back...finish between 9-13 and let the vets walk....then what? What is the plan exactly? Is it just to delay the rebuild a year or is there more?
Sup? everything cool in spurs land? y’all have a good season
Who has better franchise cornerstones:
No?
Dal?
MEM?
PHX?
Den?
Okc?
Who has better draft assets as of now?
No?
Dal?
MEM?
PHX?
Den?
Okc?
So yeah - In trouble. Does that mean Sa has nothing? No. But compared to much of their division and conference they are behind in both categories
Exactly. There is no plan. No plan at all.
Where you getting traded bruh?Sup? everything cool in spurs land? y’all have a good season
I also love how Chinooks argument largely boils down to some incompetence but just not as much as I’m saying. The other stuff is just mediocre to bad asset management and riding zero value to other teams players into free agency lol
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