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    I've given you my theory. Ask ten more times and see if it changes.
    It will change as soon as someone tells you to change it.

    Your timeline is off again.
    Nope. You won't bother to try to correct me, so don't act like you're right.

    I don't even understand what you are trying to say about Fusion GPS and I was talking about Seth Rich long before Butkowski and Rod Wheeler were talking about it.
    you don't even see Butkowski is doing the same thing your Great Satan Fusion GPS does. This proves you are either easy to fool or hopelessly biased.

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    What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?
    Since the dossier was all about su ious contacts with the Russian government, it looks completely justified at this point -- considering, you know, all the su ious contacts with the Russian government they ended up tracking.

    I don't need to show you a law that says disseminating information to the media from information gathered from a FISA warrant is illegal, you already know that.
    Still would like to see the law. Thanks in advance.

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    It will change as soon as someone tells you to change it.

    Nope. You won't bother to try to correct me, so don't act like you're right.

    you don't even see Butkowski is doing the same thing your Great Satan Fusion GPS does.
    Open your ST notebook and pull up when I started discussing Seth Rich and then compare that to when Butkowski started up on it. For someone who claims to have such a great memory your timelines sure get messed up often.

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    Open your ST notebook and pull up when I started discussing Seth Rich and then compare that to when Butkowski started up on it. For someone who claims to have such a great memory your timelines sure get messed up often.
    You always make it personal when you're flustered.

    Of course you were told to pimp the Seth Rich amateur serial killer assassination theory before Butkowski's role was known. You were simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. And you have.

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    Like he was going to veto that bill and get crushed in an override vote.

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    Since the dossier was all about su ious contacts with the Russian government, it looks completely justified at this point -- considering, you know, all the su ious contacts with the Russian government they ended up tracking.
    You failed to answer all three questions. Try again. What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?

    Still would like to see the law. Thanks in advance.
    Google it? I'm not digging through the US code to prove to you that leaking information to the press from a FISA warrant is illegal.

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    You always make it personal when you're flustered.

    Of course you were told to pimp the Seth Rich amateur serial killer assassination theory before Butkowski's role was known. You were simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. And you have.
    Timeline is off, recompute.

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    You failed to answer all three questions. Try again. What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?
    It seems really important to you so go ahead and say what you want to say. I will say what I mean: It turns out that whatever surveillance happened is completely justified by the admitted actions of the Trump team and the people with whom they chose to associate.

    Google it? I'm not digging through the US code to prove to you that leaking information to the press from a FISA warrant is illegal.
    you did that for Hillary -- or were you just told what they were?

    And yes, it's your claim so I will wait for you to prove it.

    Or you could just come out and give us your grand conspiracy theory you have been told to pimp. It gets pretty boring just watching you relentlessly spread innuendo and not commit to anything. I know you have been royally burned in the past but you don't seem to have learned from it anyway -- so out with it.

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    Timeline is off, recompute.
    Nope. Give your theory or give up.

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    Nope. Give your theory or give up.
    It's your timeline. You claimed I was simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. Your claim falls apart when you look at the dates of my posts and when Butkowski started trying to push his story.

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    It seems really important to you so go ahead and say what you want to say. I will say what I mean: It turns out that whatever surveillance happened is completely justified by the admitted actions of the Trump team and the people with whom they chose to associate.
    You failed to answer all three questions, again. Try again, again. What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?

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    Where is RandomGuy and his easily testable theory?



    Your move, Putin'spet.
    But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

    The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

    Fact 1:
    Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

    Fact 2:
    Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

    Fact 3:
    Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

    Fact 4:
    Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

    Fact 5:
    Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

    Theory:
    Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

    This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

    Prediction:
    Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


    The way to falsify the theory:
    1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

    Bull conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

    Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia
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    He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

    If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.
    Here comes the test.

    Prediction:
    Trump will veto, or actively attempt to undermine the sanctions in any way he can.


    Russians have already threatened to retaliate.
    resident Trump on Wednesday grudgingly signed legislation toughening sanctions on Russia over its interference in the 2016 election, but ripped into the law and mocked its authors in Congress as he vowed to pursue better relations with Moscow.

    The “Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act,” which also imposes punitive measures against Iran and North Korea, had sailed through the House and Senate by near-unanimous, veto-proof margins. At the same time, the legislation had drawn angry criticisms from European allies, notably over concerns it would cripple ongoing energy projects, and from Russia.

    In a pair of statements, Trump condemned the law as a “significantly flawed” policy that risks damaging U.S. foreign policy and contains “clearly uncons utional provisions” that improperly encroach on his presidential powers.
    He also signaled he might not enforce it as vigorously as its authors intended.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sig...161349886.html

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    Trump's hand was forced by the veto-proof majority, and near-unanimous vote.

    He had to sign it in order not to look weak and have his veto over-ridden, but has attempted to undermine it in any way he can, which is to criticize it, and state his intention not to enforce it, insomuch as is in his power.

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    Trump has also been stymied in his attempts to communicate with Putin directly.

    This theory predicts that he will attempt to curry favor with Putin, and let Putin know he is on his side.

    This theory explains his 2 hour long official talk with Putin, that was originally scheduled for 30 minutes, as well as his desperate attempt to talk to him without anyone else present at the G20.



    These actions are consistent with the "compromised" theory.

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    It's your timeline. You claimed I was simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. Your claim falls apart when you look at the dates of my posts and when Butkowski started trying to push his story.
    Timeline:

    1) You already were told to pimp amateur serial killer hit theory.

    2) You were also told to accept Butkowski without reservation.

    You failed to answer all three questions, again. Try again, again. What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?
    All these questions are moot to me now that the Trump team's admitted contacts with Russian agents have justified any surveillance. No matter the origin, the concern was and is real.

    All this stuff is super important to you however, so tell everyone reading all about it. Commit to something.

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    Timeline:

    1) You already were told to pimp amateur serial killer hit theory.

    2) You were also told to accept Butkowski without reservation.
    "told"

    All these questions are moot to me now that the Trump team's admitted contacts with Russian agents have justified any surveillance. No matter the origin, the concern was and is real.

    All this stuff is super important to you however, so tell everyone reading all about it. Commit to something.
    You really really don't want to answer the questions. Where's that cute stonewall picture when you need it.

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    Here comes the test.

    Prediction:
    Trump will veto, or actively attempt to undermine the sanctions in any way he can.


    Russians have already threatened to retaliate.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sig...161349886.html


    2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

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    Meanwhile President Pussy-grabber is getting ready to handle something else other than female genitalia:




    Don't we all feel so much safer? He is going to handle it.






    WHAT AN IDIOT.


    Yeah like he handled healthcare. This moron is liable to get us all killed.

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    Pretty much. You read something on 4chan or ar15 and it's your position; except when someone asks you directly what your position is.

    You really really don't want to answer the questions. Where's that cute stonewall picture when you need it.
    I told you it's all moot to me at this point so I really don't care anymore. You have to make me care by telling me why it's critically important now. I want to skip the games and see what you're pretending you would eventually get at. Matters of fact I will gladly accept. You really really don't want to say what you really think happened and incessant questions are just another stonewall tactic.

    Prove me wrong. Save us another day of this and tell us your grand theory.

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    And there is a big reason Trump signed the sanctions bill -- you can't file a signing statement if you don't sign the bill. In that statement Trump says that he can pretty much ignore many provisions of the bill, which goes right along with RG's theory.

    text of signing statement

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    Pretty much. You read something on 4chan or ar15 and it's your position; except when someone asks you directly what your position is.

    I told you it's all moot to me at this point so I really don't care anymore. You have to make me care by telling me why it's critically important now. I want to skip the games and see what you're pretending you would eventually get at. Matters of fact I will gladly accept. You really really don't want to say what you really think happened and incessant questions are just another stonewall tactic.

    Prove me wrong. Save us another day of this and tell us your grand theory.
    Dodging the questions is the game for you.

    What do ents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said do ents and who paid for said do ents the FBI used?

    Stop playing games and answer the questions and then we can discuss why I think it's critically important.

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    paul and sanders seemed to be level-headed enough.

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