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    According to hoopshype, spurs currently have 52million on book, and the cap is projected to be 56, and so spurs 4million under cap. I dont know how does it works, can they sign some one using the 4mililion cap and then sign another one using MLE?

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    *takes down names of Richard Jefferson supporters so he can make them eat crow when RJ splooges all over this franchise if he resigns*

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    We got to the second round last year with a 6-7 3 and our 3 previous championships were with a 6-7 3.

    Its about perimeter defense and the 3-ball not length.
    Lakers won because of length this year, and they will likely win it next year because of it. If we don't stick a decent 7 footer alongside Duncan, the Spurs have no chance.

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    Question:

    This may be irrelevant if RJ resigns with a longer, smaller contract but just curious to know. Assuming that there are teams who are interested in RJ, why would these teams want to do a sign-and-trade with us since RJ is opting out ?

    To my understanding, we own the birds rights to RJ. However, RJ will be a FA and as such, teams with cap space can sign RJ without a S&T with us. I cannot fathom how would they do a sign & trade unless they are trying to get rid of some bloated contracts which we will not want anyway

    For teams over the cap, they can offer the MLE to RJ if he accepts. Unless they are willing to pay RJ more than the MLE, they will not require a S&T.

    As such, from the above breakdown, am I right to say that S&T option is severely limited to over-capped teams who are offering more than MLE for RJ ?
    RJs gonna take more than MLE so teams over the cap interested would need a S&T.

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    The only way we were trading him was next January, IMO. Which means we would have wasted half a season trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and getting some unknown talent in return.
    Furthermore (and please correct me if I'm wrong), keeping those $15 million in the books basically strained whatever possibility we had of keeping Tony around in the long run.

    Trades are not a sure thing either. We had nearly $10 million in tradeable expiring in the last trade deadline and we ended up not trading anybody and having to release Finley instead.
    That is a valid point, I just think once January rolls around he won't be traded either way because he will be playing good enough for us to keep or bad enough that no teams will want his fresh 4 year $30m salary or whatever he gets...

    Last season I thought was a little difference because Pop wasn't going to trade Bonner, Finley, Mason in a package three for one because he liked Bonner and its hard to find a team that you can dump three players on and they dont go over the player maximum. If the team waives players to make room it costs them a lot of extra money. RJ was arguably the biggest trade chip in the NBA besides Troy Murphy

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    Jefferson staying in S.A.?

    Richard Jefferson’s decision to opt out of the final $15 million season of his contract might not be a sign he’s willing to leave the San Antonio Spurs.

    Sources said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has been personally working out Jefferson in San Antonio. The free-agent forward could re-sign with the team at a number that lowers the franchise’s luxury-tax hit while guaranteeing him more money on the back end of a multiyear contract.
    I could see this happening too. A contract loaded on the back-end, which would make him a trade asset in 3/4 years. The thing is, by then the Spurs are going to be rebuilding, most likely. So, does a financial commitment like that makes sense?

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    all you ing re s suddenly caring for Richard Jefferson because you valued his CONTRACT have now morphed into you wanting him here long term!? WTF unbelievable

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    Lakers won because of length this year, and they will likely win it next year because of it. If we don't stick a decent 7 footer alongside Duncan, the Spurs have no chance.
    Ron Artest is 6-7.

    Splitter is the key to getting more length and we don't run the same system as the Lakers so who gives a .

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    I could see this happening too. A contract loaded on the back-end, which would make him a trade asset in 3/4 years. The thing is, by then the Spurs are going to be rebuilding, most likely. So, does a financial commitment like that makes sense?
    In 3/4 years, he'd be worthless on the market.

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    Trades are not a sure thing either. We had nearly $10 million in tradeable expiring in the last trade deadline and we ended up not trading anybody and having to release Finley instead.
    Exactly. Trades are no guarantee for big expirings, and there have been plenty that have evaporated without a return. Raef Lafrentz and Wally Szczerbiak were huge expirings that couldn't get their teams anything, and they were on teams whose owners were willing to spend whatever it took. Those guys combined for about 26 million.

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    this would be the worst ing thing to happen to this franchise since the Richard Jefferson trade.
    You again?! I must say I admire your hard-headed persistence in the face of all that is logical and sensible.

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    *takes down names of Richard Jefferson supporters so he can make them eat crow when RJ splooges all over this franchise if he resigns*
    Please take down my name. Im not a "Hairston for starter" supporter or "[unnamed d-leaguer] for starter" supporter...so by default I'm a HUGE jefferson supporter. Have you ever looked around and wondered why everyone thinks you're an idiot?

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    you think bringing back RJ long term is a GOOD thing?

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    Ron Artest is 6-7.

    Splitter is the key to getting more length and we don't run the same system as the Lakers so who gives a .
    Lakers won because they had length on every team.

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    That is a valid point, I just think once January rolls around he won't be traded either way because he will be playing good enough for us to keep or bad enough that no teams will want his fresh 4 year $30m salary or whatever he gets...
    If we restructure his salary, sure.

    Last season I thought was a little difference because Pop wasn't going to trade Bonner, Finley, Mason in a package three for one because he liked Bonner and its hard to find a team that you can dump three players on and they dont go over the player maximum. If the team waives players to make room it costs them a lot of extra money. RJ was arguably the biggest trade chip in the NBA besides Troy Murphy
    We can gloss over this later, but yeah, it had more to do with what Pop considered to be the team he was going to roll with than anything else.
    Ultimately that's the other thing. I rather have some development of players that are going to be here for the whole season than a guy that might leave before the stretch run, basically wasting the time you gave him for half a season.

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    I hope this is the case.

    I'd much rather have Jefferson for 4 years at 32 million than having James Jones starting for the Spurs next year.
    You want the Spurs to pay Jefferson $8M/yr until he's 34? Look, RJ leaving the Spurs with limited resources to backfill definitely hurts...but I think I'd rather have that than RJ in his 30s with declining athleticism and suspect skill.

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    all you ing re s suddenly caring for Richard Jefferson because you valued his CONTRACT have now morphed into you wanting him here long term!? WTF unbelievable
    Nobody "valued his contract", dummy. If we sign him to a long-term we can make his contract more appealing and trade him. Is it pointless to even try to explain anything to you?

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    Ron Artest is 6-7.

    Splitter is the key to getting more length and we don't run the same system as the Lakers so who gives a .
    If the spurs had another Bruce Bowen your point would be valid.

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    Nobody "valued his contract", dummy. If we sign him to a long-term we can make his contract more appealing and trade him. Is it pointless to even try to explain anything to you?
    i don't think ANYONE can explain why a long term deal for an aged Richard Jefferson is a GOOD thing. you're ing re ed if you think so.

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    It's probably going to be similar to the McDyess deal. Probably a 4th year non guaranteed or partially guaranteed, so that it's worthwhile for him to have done this, but doesn't leave the team too hamstrung a few years from now and makes him a valuable trade asset in the last year of his deal.

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    everyone just 5 hrs ago valued his expiring contract, idiot. read the thread.

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    At this point, the best scenario is RJ in a sign-and-trade to a team that misses out on the big FAs...take back a player and maybe even a trade exception for the difference.

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    Like it or not, Jefferson coming back is probably the best option.

    As it stands, the Spurs have to fill the void at SF. They can do that four ways:
    1) Offer Jefferson a new contract for a few years, at a slightly lower rate. Spurs can offer as much as they want because of RJs Bird Rights, so this is probably the best value the Spurs can get.
    2) Use the LLE to sign a FA small forward. This is a possibility, but with the MLE already committed to Splitter, this would leave no money left for the Spurs to address any other needs such as another big or point guard (outside of minimum contracts, of course)
    3) Sign some scrubs or bring in a groomer from the DLeague, and then distribute Jeffersons minutes between the wings. I think this works in theory for guys like Hairston, but other guys like Ginobili and Andersen don't really have the tools for SF.
    4) Some unforeseeable sign and/or trade.

    I'm sure the Spurs FO will be pulling the strings. But out of those options, I think the Spurs are probably going to get the most production out of Jefferson returning. I don't think they are necessarily rewarding Jefferson with a long contract, as much as Jefferson is putting them in a tough situation, but they still may need to bite the bullet.

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    Nobody "valued his contract", dummy. If we sign him to a long-term we can make his contract more appealing and trade him. Is it pointless to even try to explain anything to you?
    just ignore him, hes a full time re .

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    At this point, the best scenario is RJ in a sign-and-trade to a team that misses out on the big FAs...take back a player and maybe even a trade exception for the difference.
    a sign and trade IS the best option but who would want RJ long term? he was more valuable as an expiring deal then a long-term.

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