Opposing PG's having career or season best games against us is getting old.
1.) False. Until after the 2015 WCF, there as not a single game thread without posters ing at Gino (esp after any kind of turnover).
2.) Debatable (see: 2012).
But the reality is that the Spurs always expect more from Gino than Tony in the playoffs, so it's somewhat understandable.
Well the idea is to hide your ty defender on a scrub on the opposing team. Unfortunately, D-Leaguers like Galloway still manage to go off regardless. Parker's defense is that bad this season. I can understand if he was conserving his energy for offense but he's not exactly lighting it up on the other end either
2004, 2006, 2013 all apply to Tony imo. He had some horrible series against the Lakers, Mavs, and Heat.
Heck I discussed Gino with Johnny RIngo a ton during Manu's struggling seasons...
I'll give you the Lakers series in 2004. He had two bad games in the Dallas series(2006, right), but he also had games where he scored 33, 27, and 24 respectively. 24 being in the elimination we lost.
2013
But no, the hate for Manu was not as extreme. Yes, we referred to him as turnobli and such, but every thread wasn't "this is why Manu Ginobili is bad and should be benched/traded". When he started playing well, he was given his props too. With Tony, even when he plays well he's still bashed or given backhanded compliments.
It never is on one player. This has been debated to death. You can count Hedo in 2004 being a choker too. Manu in 2013 was putrid, despite his great game 5 and solid game 7, but the Spurs collectively sunk: Danny couldn't hit a 3 anymore, Tony was hurt/couldn't score... People say Sefolosha on Tony turned the 2012 series, but Danny again couldn't hit for in that series... you can go on an on...
People wanted him to sign for the vet minimum and he was insulted up and down when he took his current $7m deal, which in hindsight was an absolute bargain...
But no, the hate for Manu was not as extreme. Yes, we referred to him as turnobli and such, but every thread wasn't "this is why Manu Ginobili is bad and should be benched/traded". When he started playing well, he was given his props too. With Tony, even when he plays well he's still bashed or given backhanded compliments.
fwiw I'm not a parker stan. I defended Manu when he was struggling as well.
I've never seen a fan base that hated their players so much. I thought it was a nationality thing(frenchies vs argentines) when I first started posting here, but now I don't know..
I don't live in SA but I assume most fans aren't as divided
There's a lot of garbage schticks going on in here too, tbh...
I live here and generally the fan base loves Tony. It's just a few guys here that need to denigrate him to prop up other players (namely Kawhi). It's similar with a few on NBA Forum, but they do it to prop up Duncan's legacy (as if it doesn't speak for itself). Duncan is still a top-5 All-time player regardless of what Parker has accomplished. Kawhi is still one of the best players in the game (probably the best peremiter defender) and has almost unlimited potential.
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He's still really good, but noticeably slower and less springy than last season. Not sure if we can survive the playoffs without Tim playing at least like he did last season.
And as for Timmy and the team's fire, I do believe that they've lost a bit of interest in the regular season. That's the only explanation for the roller coaster ride this season. Even when healthy, we can't seem to keep a consistent level of effort and focus out there on the court. You see it in bursts, where the ball is humming, guys are where they need to be, and shots go from "good to great." Then, inexplicably, they stop and start throwing the ball all over the place, jacking up rushed outside shots, and not giving a defensively. Very Jekyll an Hyde ball from our guys this year, and it's been frustrating, but I'm still trying to treasure every moment knowing that it's probably over after this year.
It's tough to gauge whether Duncan is worn out from the November/December ball when Leonard/Parker/Splitter/Mills were out, too, tbh..he carried a massive load during that stretch(along with Manu and Green), it was statistically the most difficult scheduling in NBA history IIRC(December)..
Tim has been very consistent this year, the rest I agree on fully. This team is still a ways off and there is 13 games left.
Perhaps, but they have the ability to run through everyone if they care to. It's the caring to that matters. It's not like Tim doesn't want to rebound, or like he doesn't want his shots to fall. It's like they need to return to individual performance measuring instead of hiding in the group. Guys find excuses for losing. Tonight everyone went all heroball after they got behind. Marco couldn't find anyone, had Manu wide open and took the shot anyhow (hit it but still, not the best look) then they'd have stretches where it was hot potato and no one would shoot. That's fine if it translates to ball movement later, but it didn't. Someone has to step up on defense in order to get the offense going.
Then again, the Mavs just brought it.
Close enough.
I think he got his rest during the ASB, because he looked fantastic right after the ASG. I think a great deal of it is pacing himself and just not getting up for some games. When he's dialed in/feeling good (Cavs game) he's still one of the best bigs in the league, but when he's not things get really ugly and he looks every bit his age. After watching Timmy all these years I can always tell how engaged he is/how his knees feel by seeing how he handles his post-ups and how aggressively he finishes at the rim.
One of the reasons why he shoots that awful one-handed fallaway with his right is because it allows him to plant on his good knee (the R one), so if he's avoiding the hook over his left shoulder, throwing up soft layups, and leaving his jumper short, then I'd guess his knee is acting up that particular night.
Offense aside, the biggest dropoff I've seen from Timmy this year is his individual defense. I've never seen him get scored on one-on-one as much as this season.
As far as the Tony hate, does it get a little overboard, sure, but I will say the Tony Parker fans rarely cop to Parker playing poorly. They tend to blame/bash another player (Manu or Kawhi) or post how Tony was great during ______ or how this team needs him to succeed etc.
As much as Malik and apal and others are big Kawhi fans at least they don't constantly make excuses, like the stretch when Kawhi was awful.
And the Manu fans were willing to admit that Manu cost us the 2013 le.
Maybe that's a wrong observation, but that's the way it appears to me.
lol this. on the real though, spurs have something special; this year has been maddeningly inconsistent, but you guys, just enjoy watching the best pf ever do his victory lap (or two). no complaining when you are on the yacht
Ugh, that was a third quarter from . Spurs kept turning the ball over, and the Mavs kept shooting what felt like 70% or 80% (they cooled off a bit toward the end of the quarter, I think). But overall, the Spurs just weren't sharp and didn't seem willing to put in a consistent effort.
Parker was worryingly bad, but then again, no one really played a good, clean game.
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