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Demin has fallen against better compe ion.
Tankathon has him mocked to us at #10
Demin has fallen against better compe ion.
Is this what you think the Spurs will do or what you think they should do? Or both?
Also curious to get your thoughts on McNeeley. He's kind of meh, but doesn't scream obvious bust to me. I totally forgot about him when I was looking at tall wing shooters for some reason. ~10 3PA/100, 38% 3, 85% FT are decent indicators for a 19 year old 6'8" wing shooter, and unlike Knueppel they don't nosedive against top 100 compe ion. He's got and ok OREB rate suggesting ok athleticism and mediocre defense based on D-BPR (which I prefer over D-BPM). Not anything world-beating, but his height and shooting indicators at least make him a decent bet to be useful.
Full disclosure: I have paid zero attention to the draft this year. I heard someone talking about Danny Wolf... what's his biggest con, poor athleticism?
McNeeley is fairly comparable as a freshman to Corey Kispert as a sop re. (Kispert came out after his senior year.) Kispert made a big leap in 3pt% his junior year and it's unclear whether McNeeley has that in him.
It’s mostly a gut feeling. I’m not sold on wasting picks on one dimensional shooters, never have been. If they were otherworldly, sure. I just feel like those guys can be picked easily from anywhere else. We got Champagnie for nothing.
that list is what I think the Spurs will do.
mine looks like this:
Tier 1 - i would be hyped as obviously if we get a guy from this tier
-Flagg
-Dylan
Tier 2 - I would be very happy
-Fleming
-Kasparas
-Demin
Tier 3 - I would be happy
-Sergio de Larria
-Miles Byrd
-Ace Bailey
-Ben Saraf
-Noa Essengue
Tier 4 - I’m satisfied
-Will Riley
-Tre Johnson
-Nolan Traore
-CMB
-Edgecomb
-Derik Queen
Tier 5 - eh ok whatever
-Fears
-Fland
-Kneuppel
-Hugo Gonzales
Tier 6 - i get the fit but why
-Philon
-Kam Jones
-Karaban
tier 7 - i dont get the fit
-Adou Thiero
-Sorber
-Wolf
-Newell
tier 8 - man’s a bust
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His biggest con is that he doesn’t fit this team tbh. I’ve given up the idea that Wemby can play next to another stiff big. Not happening now, likely no plans in the future. He and Derik Queen both resemble Sengun one way or another. The plays we run for Wemby would be shared with Wolf here because that’s how Wolf is made effective and we know that’s never happening— too much confusion. I do like Queen over Wolf though just because his post game is way nice, even though I still believe he’d be a bad fit here too.
Arkansas guard Boogie Fland out for the season with a hand injury.
Guessing he stays around the late lottery area where he was. That probably wasn't going to change.
Ahh. But could he be a backup big that plays when Wemby sits? I'm not expecting starters with our Atlanta pick, for example.
I mostly agree with your thoughts regarding shooters (I assume this is why you don't have Tre Johnson in your board?). I've found that taller wing shooters in general have a pretty high hit rate though, which is why I'm more indifferent to him rather than out altogether on him.
Drafted players during their freshman/sop re year, 6'7"+, >8 3P/100, >80% FT, >34% 3P - more hits than I would have expected here:
His offensive production so far is very, very similar to Duncan Robinson's sop re year, so take that for what it's worth (completely waffle-crushes him in defensive metrics).
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Nolan Traoré has been way better lately with 3 very good games in a row. He will play less in this second half of the season because his team has been eliminated from its European compe ion which should help him in French league.
I'm not sure of his fit with Castle but he is for sure talented. A player worth keeping an eye on for Spurs pick, which is #10 right now. However, a good second half of the season might put him out of reach for Spurs.
whos the best defensive bigs in this draft.Swear we turn to completely once we sit victor.A big who defends and
rebounds is needed bad.Bassey and collins aint it.
Def could. I guess it’s just personal preference that our backup big play a different style or have different tendencies than Wemby. Collins struggles with strength and gets pushed around. I think that (plus very bad defensive awareness) would be my worry with Wolf that i’d be looking more closely at.
I get the high hit rate. I just personally believe the team is not in a position to play it safe by picking a player of that archetype. They need players who can ignite an offense, and less so players who rely on other guys to generate it for them. That’s my opinion. Vassell, for example, is not showing very well that he can be relied upon to get a bucket when it’s needed most. We need a guy who can successfully ISO and score or make a play for others. I want the Spurs to go for a hail mary with all their picks.I mostly agree with your thoughts regarding shooters (I assume this is why you don't have Tre Johnson in your board?). I've found that taller wing shooters in general have a pretty high hit rate though, which is why I'm more indifferent to him rather than out altogether on him.
Drafted players during their freshman/sop re year, 6'7"+, >8 3P/100, >80% FT, >34% 3P - more hits than I would have expected here:
His offensive production so far is very, very similar to Duncan Robinson's sop re year, so take that for what it's worth (completely waffle-crushes him in defensive metrics).
i forgot about Tre. I inserted him in my tier 4 (could also be tier 3)
The team’s pace is going to be capped by how fast Wemby wants to play. And he’s never going to want to play as fast as the fastest teams in the NBA. Therefore, shooter types will never be optimized on this team. Shooters on this team will be more of the opportunistic type. They won’t get their 8+ shots like on other teams with Wemby here. That’s just how it is and why i think it’s a wasted investment to go for more 1 dimensional shooters, at least not until the team has found its true #2 or #3 guy.
Wemby’s unusual shot tendencies (especially shooting it with a lot left on the clock) will break any shooter’s rhythm. This is just not a good team for your typical volume shooter.
I agree about your assessment of our need for that creator, but I disagree with that approach to getting it. We also need that wing archetype. It may be secondary to needing the ignitor, but it is still a need.
If we use all our picks on Hail Marys to get that guy, we're left in a bad place when none of those players pan out. They were different drafts, but both taken at #20 - we'd be in a far better place if we took a Trey Murphy instead of a Malaki Branham. I realize that's a really easy statement to make, but the Spurs problem is not just that they lack that ignitor, we lack everything. We can't afford to get absolutely zeros from draft picks anymore. We need to at least come away with a viable role player.
For this reason, I strongly prefer that we trade for that ignitor and then use our draft picks (unless we luck into a very high pick) for those safer archetype picks. I don't want to see us use ATL's pick #19 on another roll of the dice, I'd rather get a McNeeley someone of that ilk with a lower ceiling but higher floor.
Just as you believe the team is not in a position to play it safe, I strongly feel the team is not in a position to go full Hail Mary. We need actual talent up and down the roster.
He's more than just a shooter. Don't get me wrong, shooting is his bread and butter, but he's a really solid driver and passer as well. I think he can be a secondary playmaker in the NBA. Watch his Montverde tape, and you'll see him doing a lot more of that.
I'm not an expert on player evaluations (far from it), especially college players, but I don't see the big stiff that you do. He might be built like Sengun, but he's got a lot of fluidity to his game. Heck, he's being hyped a little as 7'0" guard with PG-like abilities. He might fail to cut it in the NBA, but right now I see a rare combination of skills and attributes. The biggest knock on him is that he turns the ball over a lot, and he seems to be up and down quite a bit too (0 points in last game, despite 13 rebounds).
I see lots of possibilities for the Spurs when I watch his highlights and Tankathon had him projected at 28th overall earlier this week, before the zero point performance. I'll be watching this guy closely from here on out.
Not a stiff
One thing I'm seeing that is rare is that Wolf can finish with the left hand much better than most pros. He's so fluid with either hand inside that I had to really pay attention and see that he shoots 3s right handed.
Not sure how his game translates, but, I could see using a late first on him.
a young Rudy Gay? That’s just what we need.
Perhaps stiff is too strong of a word. Insufficient lateral speed is more like it. The main point is that he can’t play next to Wemby because he won’t be able to defend the midgets at PF that most teams will roll out. If you think teams are destroying us from 3 right now, it would be worse with Wolf at PF. I mean we’ve seen spurts of it with Collins next to Wemby, and it doesn’t look good.
I would like us to get Asa Newell myself.
Agree with this for sure my dude. With that in mind, sell me on Rasheer Fleming in your top 4.
You've almost definitely seen more of him than I have - I've only seen a few highlights here and there, but I see a very athletic physically imposing 3 and D forward with outstanding measurements who mixes some straight line drives to the basket against a bent defense with spot up 3s and is a strong finisher as a roll man. That's an extremely valuable player if the 3 translates, but with a career FT% < 70 and a single year of good 3 point shooting for a young-for-his-class junior, it's a risky bet to make. His numbers suggest minimal passing and playmaking a en (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm probably going to get roasted for this, but if your priority is a guy who can successfully iso and playmake for others with a hail mary, isn't the correct play at the forward position actually CMB, who we have plenty of evidence of scoring in the low post against set defenses (i.e. taking it to #1 Auburn and specifically Johnni Broome repeatedly) with better passing a en? Yea, it's true his shooting is less likely to translate, but he's one of the top guys in the draft with regards to hand eye coordination and touch both around the rim and in the midrange, so it's not as unlikely as, say, Sochan.
We are probably going to go back and forth on these two guys for the rest of the season unless one of them either really takes off or drops off, so curious to get your thoughts here.
Just started looking at players with the start of the new year and I'm all aboard the DANNY WOLF train. Choo-choo!
He's going to be riding up boards and I'm expecting lottery by draft night.
#1 not a stiff, nimble feet, just a lot like Sengun who the Spurs passed on for a slow ass guard wearing cement shoes.
#2. Smart and can legit pass, cut, and move the ball. Still too many morons on the team who can never figure out that they should pass to Wemby when he's open.
3. Defensive rebounding, we will know Wemby needs help
4. Can post and operate. With all the attention Wemby pulls Wolf will feast
5. Can shoot some, should be a legit average NBA shooting big. Not a specialist but his shot looks good to me and much better than Sengun
6. Does get some blocks, and isn't a total disaster there like Joffrey
I think he's the ideal guy next to Wemby. Can get Wemby the ball. Smart player who passes, posts, cuts and is a 3 point threat. Defensive rebounder.
He wouldn't be replacing Sochan, he'd be replacing Barnes. Sochan doesn't guard power forwards, Barnes does. Sochan also can't shoot, is zero threat with the ball, and proved over and over again he isn't capable of getting Wemby the ball.
If the Spurs aren't a top 4 lotto team I say take Wolf. 9, 10, 11, whatever.
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