Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[timvp]

You Jackie Butler haters better be right. In Butler's two games with the Rockets in the summer league, he totaled:

30 minutes
21 points
9-for-12 from the field
8 rebounds
4 assists
2 blocks
2 fouls

Even the most hardcore Butler hater has to admit that isn't a half bad line. If Butler and Scola both turn out to be players . . . this trade is going to be damn ugly.

[whottt]

You Jackie Butler haters better be right. In Butler's two games with the Rockets in the summer league, he totaled:

30 minutes
21 points
9-for-12 from the field
8 rebounds
4 assists
2 blocks
2 fouls

Even the most hardcore Butler hater has to admit that isn't a half bad line. If Butler and Scola both turn out to be players . . . this trade is going to be damn ugly.

Jackie has got offensive game...it's everything else that sucks..and we need a SF.


If you can show me that the Spurs could have moved Jackie for a draft pick or a talented SF...I'll concede it was a bad trade.

If the Spurs don't try get a talented SF this offseason, with the slot avail, I'll concede it was a bad trade.

Other than that...Jackie showed no improvement...he looked lost in summerleague, after a year with the team, and the worst crime he commited?

Pop told him to get in shape...he ran Jackie's butt off all last season, the season has barely been over for a month and he was in horrible shape.

Ian OTOH, got into shape like he was asked...and he has the skill set that fits the Spurs better.


What did you want the Spurs do to? Park him on the roster, where he won't play, at the expense of filling a need? That hurts us....


And they couldn't put him in the D-League either...to get minutes to improve.

[timvp]

He's a center barely old enough to drink. Not everyone is going to enter the league like Tony Parker and be ready to ball as a youngster.

Newsflash, if you sign a young player, don't expect the player to be a hardworking saint from the moment he steps into the organization. How many players who joined the Spurs before the age of 25 stuck around for more than a couple seasons? Take out the players with All-Star talent like Duncan and Parker.

Who are you left with?

Seriously, there is nobody. The Spurs and their fans expect young players to come on board and be balling saints who not only are All-Star level talents but also have the character of a veteran who has been around the league and grown up.

Devin Brown got a bad rep because he didn't enter the league like he was a 35-year-old Mario Elie who breathed and lived basketball. Jackie Butler gets run out of town because he still has growing up to do at 22.

The Spurs wonder why they are old and at the same time get frustrated and ship out any youth that the team ever gets. Even quality youth. Devin Brown, the best three point shooter in the playoffs in franchise history, has leprosy according to the Spurs and their fans.

Amazing.

[Kori Ellis]

If the Spurs don't try get a talented SF this offseason, with the slot avail, I'll concede it was a bad trade.

Who do you think they are going after?

[objective]

If the Spurs don't try get a talented SF this offseason, with the slot avail, I'll concede it was a bad trade.

Would you consider Udoka a talented SF? Just supposing he were signed that is.

He's awfully small for a small forward. Without shoes I wouldn't be too shocked if he measured at 6-3.75, though he's more likely to be 6-4 in socks I suppose.

[whottt]

He's a center barely old enough to drink. Not everyone is going to enter the league like Tony Parker and be ready to ball as a youngster.

Is Ian even old enough to drink? How much slack does he get? And he plays harder than Butler. He's also been in the fold longer.

Newsflash, if you sign a young player, don't expect the player to be a hardworking saint from the moment he steps into the organization. How many players who joined the Spurs before the age of 25 stuck around for more than a couple seasons? Take out the players with All-Star talent like Duncan and Parker.

Who are you left with?

Fair enough...but we have bigger needs than developing a scoring big right now.

Seriously, there is nobody. The Spurs and their fans expect young players to come on board and be balling saints who not only are All-Star level talents but also have the character of a veteran who has been around the league and grown up.

Devin Brown got a bad rep because he didn't enter the league like he was a 35-year-old Mario Elie who breathed and lived basketball. Jackie Butler gets run out of town because he still has growing up to do at 22.

The Spurs wonder why they are old and at the same time get frustrated and ship out any youth that the team ever gets. Even quality youth. Devin Brown, the best three point shooter in the playoffs in franchise history, has leprosy according to the Spurs and their fans.

Amazing.

Sin,

Beno Udrih



I agree with what you are saying...but exactly how much longer do you expect our window to be open?


And Devin's youth isn't what bothered me...it was his poise, I didn't like his Webberesque moment against the Rockets...that wasn't an inexperience mistake...time outs exist from day 1 in basketball. It was a choke. An unforced mental error under pressure...a major one. It wasn't like it was a complicated situation...it was a simple situation. In any case...I would have kept him probably over Finley...I just didn't want him on the court in pressure moments.

As for the rest of it...youth is one thing...
But if the guys aren't doing what Pop asks, if they can't do what he asks...it's really not fair to Duncan to waste much time on them. And it's really not in the best interest of the Spurs during this era.

It's one thing if it's just inexperience...but when it's maturity issues...for marginal talents...I don't blame the Spurs for moving on to someone serious about improving and helping this team win.


I liked Jackie Butler...I honestly did. You can tell he's a good kid...but I agree with the Spurs decision to favor Ian over him, or move him to make room for Udoka.


He shouldn't have looked that lost and out of shape after a year on this team...he showed no improvement and pretty much looked like he did in Spurs games all year....in the summer league.

I really don't see any difference between he and Mahinmi or Sanikidze at this point...except he's been with the team a year and showed no improvement, and their skills are more inline with what the Spurs need and will need in the immediate future.

[Mr. Body]

Jackie has got offensive game...it's everything else that sucks..and we need a SF.

Where is the SF coming from, you idiot? There's no plan to get a SF. Possibly Udoka, if that counts, but this trade had nothing to do with getting a 3 - it only was to shed salary. THAT'S IT.

[whottt]

Where is the SF coming from, you idiot? There's no plan to get a SF.

Possibly Udoka, if that counts,

Dip ...are you often in the habit of answering your own questions? As you call people stupid for drawing the same conclusion?

but this trade had nothing to do with getting a 3 - it only was to shed salary. THAT'S IT.

Link?

What part of there is a limit to roster spots don't you get...tool.

[timvp]

And Devin's youth isn't what bothered me...it was his poise, I didn't like his Webberesque moment against the Rockets...that wasn't an inexperience mistake...time outs exist from day 1 in basketball. It was a choke. An unforced mental error under pressure...a major one. It wasn't like it was a complicated situation...it was a simple situation. In any case...I would have kept him probably over Finley...I just didn't want him on the court in pressure moments.

Devin had one mistake as a Spur. Name another time he "choked". He's the best three-point shooter in franchise history in the playoffs. He led the team in plus/minus against the Lakers in 2004. Even when he had back trouble during the 2005 playoffs, he still hit his threes.

Barry and Finley have both choked way more than Devin did. And Devin's horrible choke came in the regular season. Barry and Finley have choked in the playoffs. Devin never choked in the playoffs ... he got better.

Devin was the reason 2004 didn't turn into 2001 against the Lakers. He basically won the point four game until Fisher's shot. He played Kobe most of the second half. Name another time in Spurs history that Pop has gone with someone other than Bowen against the best perimeter player on the other team in a playoff game.

Not signing Devin to a minimum deal last summer was a mistake. Now the Spurs have to cough up money to someone like Udoka. But yeah, Devin didn't have the professionalism of Sean Elliott out of the box so he had to go.

[ArgSpursFan]

...talking about Spurs F.O mistakes,I said if the spurs traded Scola for nothing it would be the F.O.´s biggest mistake,just behind Leting D.Brown walk away.

[wildbill2u]

What would have happened if the Spurs had merely renounced their rights to Scola if they had no use for him.? Would that have cost them anything?

Might've been better for Scola if he was a free agent at that point? But then we wouldn't have got the money or V-span contract to offset.

I don't see either of them getting much playing time in the next year(s) with the Spurs so I can't be too upset about the 'loss' of their skills.

[Horry For 3!]

I come back from vacation and read this....

[bigsexy]

Thank you Lindsey......................Scola & Butler will work just fine in Rocket Red.

Thank you San Antonio or should i say Gracias guey!

[Cherry]

somebody shoot me!







Ok, good luck Luis

[Mr. Body]

Bizarro universe. I just woke up from a coma... Wha- Is that Luis Scola, with a Rockets jersey? The Houston Rockets? Hmm... I wonder who the Spurs got for him. Maybe it was part of a Battier trade? Spurs'd have to give up a bit more for Shane, but still I like it. Wait... is that Rick Adelman? WHAT'S GOING ON?

[Clutch20]

Adelman + Scola = abort rocket launch, abort, abort.............
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“They do a great job of their system and staying true to form,
making big plays in big moments,” Suns coach Mike D'Antoni
told reporters in Phoenix on Thursday. “That's what we're
trying to get. Mental toughness, being lucky, I don't know
what it is.”

The Spurs, D”Antoni added, just seem to “believe a little bit
more.”
“All the time,” he said.

[manufor3]

now this is looking like a worse deal then ever...

[T Park]

get

over

it

[timvp]

To The Freaking Rockets At Least Trade Them To The East This Is Going To Be The Worst Trade In Spurs History Omg Shoot Me Now

[vander]

man, at the very least, this trade was a huge slap in the face to Spurs fans just to save Holt some

so show him he can't pull one over on Spurs fans, everybody boycott one home playoff game, preferably against Houston

[SenorSpur]

Think the Spurs could've at least gotten a player like rookie Greg Landry in return. But after all, the Spurs were merely shedding salary. I get it.

[Kori Ellis]

man, at the very least, this trade was a huge slap in the face to Spurs fans just to save Holt some

so show him he can't pull one over on Spurs fans, everybody boycott one home playoff game, preferably against Houston

He didn't really save any money. They just chose to give Scola's money to Bonner.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, it was basically "We think Bonner is better for our team than Scola."

Oh, that plus "We'd rather trade Scola for nothing than get young players for him."


On the bright side, one of my best friends is a Rockets fan, so it's good to see him happy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The Spurs just got owned by the Rockets spy aka Dennis Lindsey. His girly last name should have been a clue.

[whottt]

Because Scola in Cleveland would be less dangerous than Scola in Hou(we have an injury)ston.