Your Vote, Your Reasons

[DarkReign]

I am now FOR same sex marriages.

You and me, DR, going to Hawaii.

You are entirely too forward, sir.

[DarkReign]

As confessions go, I have to admit I'm exhausted with the childish McLame/nObama type stuff. It's just so silly.

Ahhhh, I see you havent met boutons_ yet. Good luck!

[CuckingFunt]

Do you believe the African American male is viewed as a net positive or net negative figure in our society?

well i can't speak for society as a whole so i can't answer the question the way you're leading me to answer. i'm sure you already have a reply ready, but i can say this. i give every person a clean slate until they screw up. normally i allow them to screw up quite a bit before i see them for what that person is. notice i say person, not race, society, culture, what not. i'll let people with the same mindset as you to pull the race card. it's a cop out. plain and simple. i'll be more than happy to support and vote for a black/man or woman, or any race for that matter, that runs for the presidency, but this time around i won't be voting for that black man. all races have their positive and negative figures. any person should know that.

I realize I've gotten several pages behind while at class, but I still have to respond to this.

Where in Manny's question did he ask for your personal opinion on African-Americans? He didn't. He was asking about their portrayal in our society as a whole. Now you may claim colorblindness and that you judge people based solely on the content of their character and all that, which is truly commendable (no bull ), but to extend that to the belief that this country is not still actively built upon systemic racism is beyond naive. Right now, today, 2008, this country is still employing a power dynamic that is absolutely dependent on perpetuating the belief that "they" are scary and evil and out to get "us." Anyone who can't see that is bound and determined not to.

And, furthermore, yes that does make it possible that Angel's beliefs are based on an internal oppression of which she may not even be consciously aware. Manny is far from off base in that assertion.

[Tully365]

"We need to spread the wealth around" - frankly is divisive language to me, and inflammatory. I understand it is just his side of it. Unfortunately it is a gut reaction to that kind of language. Kind of like when somebody says, "Jesus is Lord" to several of the posters on this forum - they just HAVE to react to it.

McCain picked up on that - he got a little traction, so he tried to milk it (give the guy a break - he's getting his ass kicked).

oooops, misunderstood you.

I always wonder if some politically charged people in church secretly get angry when the donation basket gets passed around? Isn't hing a way of spreading the wealth?

[101A]

I always wonder if some politically charged people in church secretly get angry when the donation basket gets passed around? Isn't hing a way of spreading the wealth?

I he.

I enjoy doing it.

Studies have shown that religious people, and people who consider themselves conservative, give far more % in charity than others. Kind of ironic, actually.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I realize I've gotten several pages behind while at class, but I still have to respond to this.

Where in Manny's question did he ask for your personal opinion on African-Americans? He didn't. He was asking about their portrayal in our society as a whole. Now you may claim colorblindness and that you judge people based solely on the content of their character and all that, which is truly commendable (no bull ), but to extend that to the belief that this country is not still actively built upon systemic racism is beyond naive. Right now, today, 2008, this country is still employing a power dynamic that is absolutely dependent on perpetuating the belief that "they" are scary and evil and out to get "us." Anyone who can't see that is bound and determined not to.

And, furthermore, yes that does make it possible that Angel's beliefs are based on an internal oppression of which she may not even be consciously aware. Manny is far from off base in that assertion.

as i stated i cannot and will not speak on behalf of society. i clearly stated that in my first post.

[Tully365]

I he.

I enjoy doing it.

Studies have shown that religious people, and people who consider themselves conservative, give far more % in charity than others. Kind of ironic, actually.

That's cool. In the past few years I've had the good fortune to have more money than many of my friends, and have actually been very happy to be able to lend money to them occasionally when needed. It's a pretty good feeling, if you ask me.

[BacktoBasics]

as i stated i cannot and will not speak on behalf of society. i clearly stated that in my first post.

I for one am greatful for that.

[Tully365]

I he.

I enjoy doing it.

Studies have shown that religious people, and people who consider themselves conservative, give far more % in charity than others. Kind of ironic, actually.

Part of it is the expectation or demand for money.

That's why I've heard the Lottery defined as taxes for people who are bad at math. No one complains about them, even if they've lost thousands to them over the years.

[CuckingFunt]

as i stated i cannot and will not speak on behalf of society. i clearly stated that in my first post.

You weren't being asked to speak on behalf of society, though.

[spurster]

Edit: wrong thread

[Viva Las Espuelas]

You weren't being asked to speak on behalf of society, though.

Do you believe the African American male is viewed as a net positive or net negative figure in our society?

looks like it to me.

[Ignignokt]

You guys are either really beside yourselves or real stupid.

WHen hillary was being labeled a socialist and an antichrist was it becuase she black?

Or what about jimmy carter or Bill Clinton.

Weaksauce.

Using the race card to shut the opposition is just as tasteless as assuming one is the antichrist.

Cucking has no right to complain.

[Ignignokt]

People voted against Bush in 04 because they thought he was the Anti Christ and he created 911.

Cucking was silent there.

People have been using the Masonic Anti Christ card on Bush for the longest of time, and now everyone is using the race card to defend BO for like su ions.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Ignignokt]

looks like it to me.

Owned!! CF was shown up!!

[DarkReign]

gtowns up in this

[ElNono]

So, I got a discount on devil's advocate sneakers last week. Touting the benefits of open society doesn't just mean you get to applaud angel_luv's right to speak her own mind and state her religious beliefs and those who engage with her in what you deem to be civil discourse, but also the rights of those who challenge her, even if their tactics involve the name-calling you disapprove of.

Again, I don't understand why "I think you're going to if you don't agree with me, but I will pray for you" coming from a fundamentalist is any more or less offensive than "you are a few elephants short of a box of animal crackers" or, as some put it "you're ing nuts."

It's all really the same sentiment in different packaging and it's all speech. It's all valid. It's just not all pretty.

Yes?

Yes. She's bat crazy. You can sugarcoat it anyway you want it, or label it with a more polite medical condition, but her last few posts basically confirmed pretty much everything I said:
1) She's fearful as . She lives in fear. Of other religions, of the Antichrist, of a non-catholic leader, of thinking by herself, etc.
2) She's a proud bigot. It's not that she's fighting to prevent Christianity to be a 'second class' religion. She's actively fighting for Christianity to be the one and only religion, openly embracing the idea that if you're not Christian you're an idiot. Complete and open intolerance.
3) She's ignorant. Very ignorant. Anybody that actually knows the law of the land where one is living, knows that her idea of a Christian nation is ILLEGAL under the cons ution (Thank God! Phun intended). With the current social fabric of our nation, the odds of that being amended out of the cons ution probably hovers on complete impossibility.

What a royal waste of a life...

[Shastafarian]

Yes. She's bat crazy. You can sugarcoat it anyway you want it, or label it with a more polite medical condition, but her last few posts basically confirmed pretty much everything I said:
1) She's fearful as . She lives in fear. Of other religions, of the Antichrist, of a non-catholic leader, of thinking by herself, etc.
2) She's a proud bigot. It's not that she's fighting to prevent Christianity to be a 'second class' religion. She's actively fighting for Christianity to be the one and only religion, openly embracing the idea that if you're not Christian you're an idiot. Complete and open intolerance.
3) She's ignorant. Very ignorant. Anybody that actually knows the law of the land where one is living, knows that her idea of a Christian nation is ILLEGAL under the cons ution (Thank God! Phun intended). With the current social fabric of our nation, the odds of that being amended out of the cons ution probably hovers on complete impossibility.

What a royal waste of a life...

Are you sure it isn't because she just has an irrational fear of black men?

[CuckingFunt]

looks like it to me.

Then I guess we've got more reading comprehension issues in here.

Being asked your opinion of the society in which you live (and, in theory, with which you interact) is not the same thing as being asked to take responsibility for, or speak on behalf of, that society. I would never willingly or intentionally put myself in the position of speaking on behalf of our nation as a whole either, but I'll damn sure post my impression of our nation based on what I've seen and experienced.

Just a pet peeve of mine, though. I get tired of the frequent confusion that says "I feel our country still harbors racist practices and policies" is the same as "you, and everyone who shares your beliefs, individually, are racists." They're not remotely the same thing. Observation gets mistaken for personal attack, response is defensive, discourse breaks down.

[VaSpursFan]

best.thread.EVER.

lots of good discourse here intertwined with some bat crazy.

[ElNono]

Are you sure it isn't because she just has an irrational fear of black men?

Very sure. I'm actually complete absolutely sure that race has nothing to do with it. It's all about Christian Supremacy to her.

[Shastafarian]

Very sure. I'm actually complete absolutely sure that race has nothing to do with it. It's all about Christian Supremacy to her.

Did you major in Psychology?

[ElNono]

Did you major in Psychology?

I dated a psychologist once. Does that count?

[Shastafarian]

I dated a psychologist once. Does that count?

haha sure why not. See I just heard from someone smarter than me that she has an irrational fear of black men. I trusted him because he knows everything.

[DWest30]

I dated a psychologist once. Does that count?

Ive never dated a chick who majored in psych who wasn't off the chart nutty.

Then again, they DID all date me, so maybe there's more to this than I thought...