Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[exstatic]

Contracts mean nothing these days. They are easily bought out.
Money rules...and the gap between the haves and have nots grows wider.

Tell it to the Tampa Rays. Also, there is no way that the Stock Show and Rodeo lets them out.

[CaptainLate]

Tell it to the Tampa Rays. Also, there is no way that the Stock Show and Rodeo lets them out.

You really don't know human nature, do you. God willing, we'll find out in five years which of us will be saying "I told you so!"

[TheWriter]

Which is why it's nice to have a rich owner...and not a bunch of small towners. A rich owner who had stayed away from a great front office braintrust would have brought another 2-3 les...or more. We'd be talked about with the Flakers, Bulls and Celtics. But five years from now when fans can't afford ticket prices and the team is headed to some other city that can be suckered into subsidizing an above average team but no longer a le contender, SA fans will have to get used to the fact that 1999-2007 were the glory years.

You're an idiot. Just stop posting now.

[Darkwaters]

You really don't know human nature, do you. God willing, we'll find out in five years which of us will be saying "I told you so!"

Hey, if Milwaukee and Charlotte still have teams I doubt San Antonio has anything to worry about. [/discussion]

[TheWriter]

You really don't know human nature, do you. God willing, we'll find out in five years which of us will be saying "I told you so!"

Contracts mean nothing these days. They are easily bought out.
Money rules...and the gap between the haves and have nots grows wider.

Yep. Troll.

[xmas1997]

Question: can the Spurs offer him a 1 year remaining cap space contract for this year with the under the table agreement to offer him a much better long term one next year, or is that illegal under the new CBA?

[Leetonidas]

Contracts mean nothing these days. They are easily bought out.
Money rules...and the gap between the haves and have nots grows wider.

This is an NBA team/stadium contract with the city, not a ing contract in the NBA. They are not "easily bought out." Are you ing serious right now?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Why do I keep coming back to this thread?

[Leetonidas]

Question: can the Spurs offer him a 1 year remaining cap space contract for this year with the under the table agreement to offer him a much better long term one next year, or is that illegal under the new CBA?

I had asked this earlier and no, apparently he can only receive small eases based on what he earned the season before since we won't have full bird rights after one season. At least that's how I understood it

[cd021]

The theory saying AK would only want to sign with a contender is shaky at best considering he signed with the Timberwolves last season...

He was out of the league for more than a year. Minny had the money to sign him and had a chance to play with two rising stars in Love and Rubio. He also got a 1+1 contract that gave him a $20 million (with an ETA) Its not that he just signed with a garbage team, that's a little misleading IMO.

[elec99]

If they havent announced the signings of manu, jeff, and marco I think it's because they are trying to rework some things.
So here's a question, has any team made an "announcement" prior to the eligible signing dates, and then had to back track on it?

Cmon manu, do us a solid.

[TXstbobcat]

This is an NBA team/stadium contract with the city, not a ing contract in the NBA. They are not "easily bought out." Are you ing serious right now?

I don't see the spurs leaving. The city would do whatever it takes to keep them even if it meant spending Money on upgrading the AT&T center or even building a new arena when the time comes.

[TXstbobcat]

How did this thread go from AK47 to the possibility of the spurs moving?

[xmas1997]

I had asked this earlier and no, apparently he can only receive small eases based on what he earned the season before since we won't have full bird rights after one season. At least that's how I understood it

Then apparently the only thing the Spurs can do at this stage of the game is offer him a contract for the remaining MLE for 2 years and see if he takes it. If he does then he can be rewarded a couple of years later because the Spurs would have his early bird rights and they are one of the few teams that honors that sort of thing and doesn't stiff their players.

[Keepin' it real]

How did this thread go from AK47 to the possibility of the spurs moving?

[Leetonidas]

Then apparently the only thing the Spurs can do at this stage of the game is offer him a contract for the remaining MLE for 2 years and see if he takes it. If he does then he can be rewarded a couple of years later because the Spurs would have his early bird rights and they are one of the few teams that honors that sort of thing and doesn't stiff their players.

Pretty much. We have to hope now that Beli and Pendergraph haven't been touched by the MLE because if not and Spurs can use the room exception/minimum on them (would make so much more sense considering their salaries/play last season) they will go over the cap and then can use the full MLE on Kirilenko if I understand correctly. And at this point it's looking like that's what he might get, not too many teams seem interested in him and as teams with large cap space dwindle down the chances of the Spurs getting him goes up...but it all depends on what we used on Beli/Pendergraph

[cd021]

1) AK47 is coming off a season with ~20 DNPs. I wanted him, but it's not like he's an example of rock solid health.

2) In all of this, we still have no idea how much AK wants to be here and how much he wants to play here.

157 career DNP's (14 a season) but that is skewed, In 04-05 he missed 41 games. He missed just 6 games in his 1st 3 seasons. He's been fairly healthy overall.

[coyotes_geek]

How did this thread go from AK47 to the possibility of the spurs moving?

I don't know, but I'm sure it has something to do with not amnestying Bonner.

[xmas1997]

Please STOP! with the Spurs are leaving BS, that is for another thread!

[xmas1997]

Pretty much. We have to hope now that Beli and Pendergraph haven't been touched by the MLE because if not and Spurs can use the room exception/minimum on them (would make so much more sense considering their salaries/play last season) they will go over the cap and then can use the full MLE on Kirilenko if I understand correctly. And at this point it's looking like that's what he might get, not too many teams seem interested in him and as teams with large cap space dwindle down the chances of the Spurs getting him goes up...but it all depends on what we used on Beli/Pendergraph

Most (ie. Bruno, etc.) are thinking that maybe the Spurs offered these guys two possible scenerios, MLE or room exception/minimum, to be determined after AK is signed. Don't know if they can do that or not, but why not, and would that not explain why it is taking them so long to announce their signings? They have to wait out all the other teams offers until the well drys up and AK is left with the choice to sign what the Spurs have left or look some where else, some other league, or sit out a year.

[Darkwaters]

Pretty much. We have to hope now that Beli and Pendergraph haven't been touched by the MLE because if not and Spurs can use the room exception/minimum on them (would make so much more sense considering their salaries/play last season) they will go over the cap and then can use the full MLE on Kirilenko if I understand correctly. And at this point it's looking like that's what he might get, not too many teams seem interested in him and as teams with large cap space dwindle down the chances of the Spurs getting him goes up...but it all depends on what we used on Beli/Pendergraph

That seems to be our biggest saving grace to date. Nobody else has really made a move to get him. I'm not sure why, but that alone has kept us in the running.

[xmas1997]

That seems to be our biggest saving grace to date. Nobody else has really made a move to get him. I'm not sure why, but that alone has kept us in the running.

And that would explain why we have heard no Spur announcement yet?

So its the proverbial "hurry up, and wait" game!

Which teams are left with enough money to offer him a contract at this point, regardless of if they are contenders? I read the Cavs were considering offering a contract, but do they have enough money, and if so, can he decline to take less to play with the Spurs since we are a contender?

[Rev Hill]

...and don't forget state income tax factor. Believe Ohio has a state income tax. Add that in and that helps the Spurs somewhat. I'm more worried about Dallas/Cuban. Whether it makes sense for AK to be on that team or not, Cuban usually has a way of ticking we Spurs fans off.

[tesseractive]

And that would explain why we have heard no Spur announcement yet?

So its the proverbial "hurry up, and wait" game!

Which teams are left with enough money to offer him a contract at this point, regardless of if they are contenders? I read the Cavs were considering offering a contract, but do they have enough money, and if so, can he decline to take less to play with the Spurs since we are a contender?

Cavs signed Bynum. Pretty sure they're out of cap space now.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

...and don't forget state income tax factor. Believe Ohio has a state income tax. Add that in and that helps the Spurs somewhat. I'm more worried about Dallas/Cuban. Whether it makes sense for AK to be on that team or not, Cuban usually has a way of ticking we Spurs fans off.

There has been no indication they want to sign him. From latest reports I read, The Mavs still don't want to commit to big long term contracts so they can be major players in the 2014, which is going to be one the best FA in years, and they are currently in talks to resign Brand and Wright.

Mavs are around 50mil in committed Salaries right now with the Ellington, Harris signings and Larkin rookie guarantee contract. At this point, the Mavs have shown no interest, but you never know.