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    No. 20 Spurs G Tyler Herro, Kentucky
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    I Definitely would like the spurs to get the 18th pick but 19th or the 20th pick isn’t to bad either

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    Porter has torn his knee up now twice don’t want any part of him. As far as Bol the main question for him has been does he have the desire to train and be a pro basketball player. So you add to that he know has a broken foot and weighs about 195 pds not No But No.
    Davis tore the same ACL twice. It's not a show stopper.

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    Davis tore the same ACL twice. It's not a show stopper.

    Think he tore it after drafting. Spurs have drafted with medical issues (Walker with meniscal tear, Blair, ACL tears). I guess its up to the medical staff and risk.

    Not sure Spurs would put garunteed money on a prospect with known or ongoing acl issues unless the upside is substantial.

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    Think he tore it after drafting. Spurs have drafted with medical issues (Walker with meniscal tear, Blair, ACL tears). I guess its up to the medical staff and risk.

    Not sure Spurs would put garunteed money on a prospect with known or ongoing acl issues unless the upside is substantial.
    Spurs have a habit of ignoring the medical report and going for upside.

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    Spurs have a habit of ignoring the medical report and going for upside.

    I don't think they ignore it at all. I just don't think they get scared of it the same way other front offices do when they have a shorter window to make changes.

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    Think he tore it after drafting. Spurs have drafted with medical issues (Walker with meniscal tear, Blair, ACL tears). I guess its up to the medical staff and risk.

    Not sure Spurs would put garunteed money on a prospect with known or ongoing acl issues unless the upside is substantial.
    The point is not when it happened, but that it seems to have had no long term ill effect.

    I'd actually rather deal with a ligament tear with no associated meniscus issues, than a meniscus tear. The meniscus heals quicker, but the clock has started on when the knee goes bone on bone.

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    Davis tore the same ACL twice. It's not a show stopper.

    You have the luxury of knowing how Davis' rehab came out. You picked one example where you know that it worked out okay. It's not a question of whether it's possible to come back 100% after an ACL tear. It's a question of risk. If Anthony Davis had missed a chunk of his one year in college due to an ACL tear, and then had second tear right before the draft?

    BTW - you didn't mention that Porter's whole family seems to have injury problems. His oldest brother had FIVE ACL tears, and is medically retired. His sister had a bunch of knee surgeries and is medically retired. And Michael had two back surgeries, and only played 3 games in college. So are some people really accident prone? Ask the Pelicans. Anthony Davis has had 30+ injuries in his 7 years in the league.

    Pass on Jontay Porter.

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    You have the luxury of knowing how Davis' rehab came out. You picked one example where you know that it worked out okay. It's not a question of whether it's possible to come back 100% after an ACL tear. It's a question of risk. If Anthony Davis had missed a chunk of his one year in college due to an ACL tear, and then had second tear right before the draft?

    BTW - you didn't mention that Porter's whole family seems to have injury problems. His oldest brother had FIVE ACL tears, and is medically retired. His sister had a bunch of knee surgeries and is medically retired. And Michael had two back surgeries, and only played 3 games in college. So are some people really accident prone? Ask the Pelicans. Anthony Davis has had 30+ injuries in his 7 years in the league.

    Pass on Jontay Porter.
    I don't think he's that great of a player anyway, just saying that in a vacuum, or from a less cursed family, maybe you don't let that stop you from drafting someone.

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    I don't think he's that great of a player anyway, just saying that in a vacuum, or from a less cursed family, maybe you don't let that stop you from drafting someone.

    I'll buy that.

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    I'd be OK with Schofield at 29.

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    The point is not when it happened, but that it seems to have had no long term ill effect.

    I'd actually rather deal with a ligament tear with no associated meniscus issues, than a meniscus tear. The meniscus heals quicker, but the clock has started on when the knee goes bone on bone.
    I'm don't agree too much on the 'no ill effects' with Davis. I watched his games before the injuries and I don't think he moves as well as he did before the tears.

    I'd only take Porter in the second. Beyond the family injury history, I don't like how the ACL didn't even fully heal before snapping again.

    Davis had healed and was playing in the acb before it tore again. He's talked about how the second rehab was easier because he knew he had come back and played well and he knew what it would take. If I remember right Porter didn't even get back on the court, he snapped in rehab.

    That's something very worrying to me

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    I'm don't agree too much on the 'no ill effects' with Davis. I watched his games before the injuries and I don't think he moves as well as he did before the tears.

    I'd only take Porter in the second. Beyond the family injury history, I don't like how the ACL didn't even fully heal before snapping again.

    Davis had healed and was playing in the acb before it tore again. He's talked about how the second rehab was easier because he knew he had come back and played well and he knew what it would take. If I remember right Porter didn't even get back on the court, he snapped in rehab.

    That's something very worrying to me
    Porter returned to basketball activities before he was cleared. That’s why he tore it again. Or, his family is cursed. Or both.

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    Porter returned to basketball activities before he was cleared. That’s why he tore it again. Or, his family is cursed. Or both.
    It's not a curse.
    It's kinda explained what the causes may have been on this article but from my personal experience i'm gonna go with genetics.

    http://www.loefflerslink.com/inside-279.html

    I have the same condition on my l5 vertebrae that forced my dad to have spine surgery at age 65.When the doctor was going through the MRI video he had to double check if he pulled the right file cause the structural damage was identical.
    It's rare,but it happens.

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    I'd be OK with Schofield at 29.
    There can only be one Admiral in San Antonio, tbh.

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    There is no way Porter gets drafted by us even if he falls to us, tbh. He's not a character guy.

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    Porter returned to basketball activities before he was cleared. That’s why he tore it again. Or, his family is cursed. Or both.
    Basketball activities aren't professional games. To me, that's a difference on what the body goes through before during and after in high level compe ive games. Dribbling around or doing some half court or 3-on-3 with ball boys and walk ons and being unable to make it through without snapping is a giant red flag

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    Different guy for the second round: Miye Oni

    Another 6-5 guy who is a good athlete. Ivy league, long shot to be an NBA player. Maybe a Brandon Paul type

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    You have the luxury of knowing how Davis' rehab came out. You picked one example where you know that it worked out okay. It's not a question of whether it's possible to come back 100% after an ACL tear. It's a question of risk. If Anthony Davis had missed a chunk of his one year in college due to an ACL tear, and then had second tear right before the draft?

    BTW - you didn't mention that Porter's whole family seems to have injury problems. His oldest brother had FIVE ACL tears, and is medically retired. His sister had a bunch of knee surgeries and is medically retired. And Michael had two back surgeries, and only played 3 games in college. So are some people really accident prone? Ask the Pelicans. Anthony Davis has had 30+ injuries in his 7 years in the league.

    Pass on Jontay Porter.
    He is right no way in would I touch him with a first round maybe second but why when he is so injury prone?

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    I mentioned Keldon Johnson earlier in the week. He had just declared, and they were projecting him for a mid-second round pick. I thought he would be one of a bargain at that spot - almost too good to be true.

    I just read a good article saying that he's now showing at a 20-25 pick, which makes a lot more sense. But the article is questioning whether he will decide to come back for one more year at Kentucky instead, if he thinks he will go that low. So it looks like second round is out (as it should be). If he does go higher than 20, it's going to shove someone else down a notch. Everything is still really fluid about who will actually be there, who won't, and who is going to get pushed down low enough for the Spurs to have a shot.

    https://www.aseaofblue.com/2019/4/11...son-bulls-suns

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    I mentioned Keldon Johnson earlier in the week. He had just declared, and they were projecting him for a mid-second round pick. I thought he would be one of a bargain at that spot - almost too good to be true.

    I just read a good article saying that he's now showing at a 20-25 pick, which makes a lot more sense. But the article is questioning whether he will decide to come back for one more year at Kentucky instead, if he thinks he will go that low. So it looks like second round is out (as it should be). If he does go higher than 20, it's going to shove someone else down a notch. Everything is still really fluid about who will actually be there, who won't, and who is going to get pushed down low enough for the Spurs to have a shot.

    https://www.aseaofblue.com/2019/4/11...son-bulls-suns
    I'd be very surprised to see the Spurs draft a Kentucky player, but maybe a 2nd round flyer. They generally have low fundamentals and barely understand the game beyond their superior given talent. Coach Cal doesn't develop them at all, just lets them run around.

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    Roby looks like a Spurs pick at 29. He's just missing confidence but he has everything the Spurs look for

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    Roby looks like a Spurs pick at 29. He's just missing confidence but he has everything the Spurs look for

    Earlier in the year, his coach was pretty adamant that Roby was going to come back for his senior year. He declared, but isn't hiring an agent, so he could change his mind. I think he may have declared because his coach was leaving, but Nebraska already hired Fred Hoiberg to replace him. I think he'd stay in the draft if he has an idea that he'd go in the first round. I honestly never watched him play, and the "scouting reports" are all over the place on him.

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    I'd be very surprised to see the Spurs draft a Kentucky player, but maybe a 2nd round flyer. They generally have low fundamentals and barely understand the game beyond their superior given talent. Coach Cal doesn't develop them at all, just lets them run around.

    Yeah, I don't know. A lot of people because he gets some of the top talents, and they think one-and-done is evil. He's had more than his share of talented players, and I think every one that has declared after their freshman year has gone in the first round.

    I don't think the Spurs would pass on him just because he came through Kentucky. I liked him as a second round bargain, but that's not really likely given what I said above. My beef is that he's another 6'5" player, and I still think the Spurs have a glut of those. If they're going to package a young player or two in a trade, then getting him at 29 would still be a good pickup. He's got talent.

    I'm always looking for the bargain guys who should probably go higher than they do.

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    I mentioned Keldon Johnson earlier in the week. He had just declared, and they were projecting him for a mid-second round pick. I thought he would be one of a bargain at that spot - almost too good to be true.

    I just read a good article saying that he's now showing at a 20-25 pick, which makes a lot more sense. But the article is questioning whether he will decide to come back for one more year at Kentucky instead, if he thinks he will go that low. So it looks like second round is out (as it should be). If he does go higher than 20, it's going to shove someone else down a notch. Everything is still really fluid about who will actually be there, who won't, and who is going to get pushed down low enough for the Spurs to have a shot.

    https://www.aseaofblue.com/2019/4/11...son-bulls-suns
    Keldon Johnson was always a top 20 guy ( more top 15) in a lot of mocks, i will be very surprised if he falls to the secound round. I'm pretty sure he won't, if the Spurs grab him it's with their 18-20 pick.

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