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Its tampering szn!
What's the advantage to act as a team over the cap for the Spurs?
Its tampering szn!
My sense is if they can find a Trade or a Sign-and-Trade partner, they can use it in that situation. If they don’t find something then they waive by the deadline.
The whole time when I saw Boston expose Dallas's weaknesses, I thought to myself to "Gee a washed up Klay Thompson will solve all these problems for Dallas."
Some times you throw enough at the wall it will eventually stick...
The play-in is easy to make in the East, since there will be 5 tanking teams (Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Brooklyn and Washington) so Atlanta should make the play-in by default. However, 7 out of those remaining 10 teams are clearly above Atlanta right now (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando and Milwaukee) so Atlanta would have to go through the play in (fighting with one of those 7 plus Miami and Toronto) so I think they're more likely to miss the playoffs than make them, and if that's the case then lottery order goes by record and it doesn't matter which conference the team belongs to. All in all, probably Atlanta makes the play in as a 9th ./ 10th seed, gets eliminated and ends up a lottery team in the 10-14 range. However, an injury to Trae or Jalen Johnson may be all it takes for their record to plummet and then there's no telling how bad they can be.
Last edited by Ariel; 06-28-2024 at 09:41 PM.
If the Chicago pick doesn't convey and both Atlanta and the Spurs don't make the playoffs, you just gave up a lottery pick in a loaded draft for Cam Johnson. Spurs should send a protected first of their own a few years down the road, say Spurs '29 or something like that, then add a few 2nd rounders + projects (Branham, Wesley, Cissoko) and filler.
Good points.
So much can still happen in the coming days/weeks that'd change again all our theories anyway
Because unlike Atlanta, Charlotte wants to tank. That's the big difference. IMO Atlanta makes the play in as a 9th/10th seed.
Some playoff team, either now or at the deadline, will give up a 25 or 26 FRP for Cam Johnson (maybe even multiple). He's a useful role player on a contending team. I'm thinking of the Gafford, PJ Washington, Thad Young trades. Gafford is the best of that bunch, but Washington actually got the greatest return, IMO. Still can't believe we got anything for Thad Young, tbh.
Klay Thompson can shoot, and he's theoretically a small-forward at this stage of his career. With the Dillingham trade clearing cap space, the Spurs can probably outbid most reasonable offers.
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I can't understand why the Hawks would tear it down when they don't control their draft for the next 3 years. Is the new ownership just wanting to roll the dice compared to what they have now?
Well one of Young or Murray had to go. I don't think it's unreasonable to put both on the block to see what you get and then decide if it makes sense to keep the other one.
Hunter is not good, especially considering the injuries. I don't blame the Hawks for cutting bait. After seeing what Bridges got I would be more than willing to test the market on Bogdanovic
Capella isn't an asset, and using him to reset the Collins TE would just be good business.
OO has always been overvalued for what he was.
The question I would have is this: What would a Hawks/Spurs trade to restore their picks look like? I think they might need to find some unprotected picks from somewhere to make this worthwhile, but are there actual ways ATL can provide value while protected Risacher and Johnson and not requiring a Young trade?
Like maybe get the best of SAC25 and LAL25 and have the option to swap SA's worst 2025 pick with the other, NOP/MKE27 and taking Zach Collins into their TE for the return of ATL25 and extinguishment of the 2026 swap.
The Spurs give up the upside of the Hawks pick next year but still retain three picks next season, including an unprotected pick and potentially get to hedge against one of CHI/LAL and SAC having an unexpectedly good season. With Collins off the books, the Spurs get significantly closer to a third-level max slot. The Spurs keep ATL27 and get an unprotected pick swap, which apparently makes the FO cream their pants.
The best part is that it pushes value out into the future, which is the most important thing when making trades.
There’s two scenarios:
1) Its possible they have no choice. Maybe Trae is forcing way out and theres nothing they can do for most part other than get as many picks in the best drafts possible and hope for the best. Or maybe they trade and hope that SA pulls a HOU/BKY deal and gives them their picks back in return for what they get for DJ + Trae in other deals. If Trae asks out because ATL used the number one pick on a non win now guy + traded DJ for mostly a non win now package (although Daniels and Nance are rotation guys) maybe he asks out?
2) They just have no faith in trying to build around Trae and despite not having their own picks, they want as many swings at 25-27 drafts because what happens with their own picks is a sunk cost? Seems very unlikely, but they may internally be saying “we have no clear path to build around Trae and if we had our own picks we would blow it up”. Seems very unlikely.
My guess is it’s a hedge. They can try some things and if its going terrible by the deadline or whatever, they can pivot if it looks like they are going to give SA a great pick regardless of what they wanted and shop Trae for best they can get to still walk away with a better shot at a nice rebuild in prime drafts
I’ll take Atlanta gambling that it was addition by subtraction and the idea that Risacher is gonna be super impactful from day 1.
Because they’ll likely the bed and the pick starts looking extremely good by the deadline. Then they’ll really be backed into a corner.
If they want to deal now then that’s fine but if they want to around until the trade deadline I’m all about finding out.
My guess is the find a way to trade some combo of the picks they just got, Clint, Hunter and maybe Nance for a legit win now upgrade. Let’s see what that fetches.
But it would be insanely sick to see a Woj bomb about Trae Young requesting a trade from ATL lol
Honestly, the Hawks just hired Onsi Soleh from Golden State a couple months ago as their new Assistant General Manager and I think he, along with Landry Fields and Quin Snyder, probably sat down and talked and came to the conclusion that they need to go in a new direction, whatever that may be. Whether it’s trading off Trae and the rest of their assets for draft picks, or trading DJ for picks and then combing those with a current player on their team for another good player to help Trae, think they realized it’s time to shake things up pretty quickly.
They may have even concluded that they’re not going to compete for anything with a 6’1 SG as their best player, so they might be better off tearing it down and starting anew tbh. Especially as the Nuggets and Celtics are in the middle of their runs. They likely know they’re not competing with that. If they could get a trade offer of multiple FRP’s for Trae right now, they’d probably offload him in a heartbeat. But they don’t want to just give him away and I bet they’re not getting anywhere near the offers they’re looking for for him. They’re stuck between a rock and a hard place rn tbh.
Have to see what else ATL does here obviously but as things stand, any injury to Trae Young next season, especially an early one would be just disastrous for them and crazy luck for SA. They have no margin for error.
Now, again, with Trae healthy, hes easily good enough to cake walk them to 9th or 10th seed given how all the non-playoff teams in east really suck and are mostly tanking, but it’s all on him as of now.
I’m not a fan of Trae but if you’re going to do that deal the Spurs can low ball and give the the Hawks their 2025 pick and 26 swap back and that’s it. Give the Hawks control back for their next two drafts. We keep their 27 pick.
Hawks prob do that tbh as it allows them to tank in a loaded 25 draft. This alone is prob worth two unprotected picks for the Hawks.
I think they got those picks as hedge against losing their own. They'll bet on not cratering into the high lottery again, which is a fairly safe bet. The Lakers pick could be not terrible, depending. And my feel is Trae is gonna love having the team back. This is a stamp of approval - he'll be the man again.
I'm not sure about Capela. They need him still, unless they can snare a big somehow.
I don’t want Trae Young.
But if the Spurs were interested in him I would just sit back and wait for Atlanta to get desperate, and for Young to start agitating. Let them negotiate against themselves and then counteroffer that low starting price. We are in zero hurry.
It’s what the Raptors did to us with Leonard.
they aint trading trae....Trae sales the tickets and is the iden y of atl..Unless trae publicly comes out saying he wants out.
Think they just build around him what whatever they can.Which may favor us next couple of years.
Send the hawks their picks back with top 3 protections on all of them
Damn pushing the guarantee date for Graham back signals some stuff cooking in SA
That's a sweet $10MM off coupon for some team. If I was a GM I'd desire that.
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