Pacquiao vs Marquez

[Dinamita]

Pacquiao vs. Marquez 1 (May 8, 2004)

Pacquiao's total punches landed/thrown: 148/639 for 23 percent

Marquez's total punches landed/thrown: 158/547 for 29 percent

Pacquiao's total power punches landed/thrown: 100/231

Marquez's total power punches landed/thrown: 122/339



Pacquiao vs. Marquez 2 (Mar. 15, 2008)

Pacquiao's total punches landed/thrown: 157/619 for 25 percent.

Marquez's total punches landed/thrown: 172/511 for 34 percent.

Pacquiao's total jabs landed/thrown: 43/314

Marquez's total jabs landed/thrown: 42/201

Pacquiao's total power punches landed/thrown: 114/305

Marquez's total power punches landed/thrown: 130/310

You guys still want to use compubox as proof?

According to those numbers Marquez clearly won the first 2 fights. what's so difficult to understand?

[pawe]

why are pac s so ing stupid? Marques threw and landed more punches the first 2 fights. So by your logic you're aggreeing that Marquez should've won the first 2 fights?

Compubox

How many times did Marquez go down in the previous 2 fights though?
How many times did Pacman go down?
Aren't knockdowns a part of the scoring?
Did anyone get knocked down the 3rd fight?
Again, Manny threw and landed more punches than JMM in the 3rd fight so he clearly won.

[Dinamita]

Who land the clean and effective punches?
Who had ring generalship?
Who controlled the tempo and the pace the entire night?

[Dinamita]

Pacquiao was aggressive but was it really effective aggressiveness? no.

That's how you score a fight. Not by compubox numbers.

[pawe]

You guys still want to use compubox as proof?

According to those numbers Marquez clearly won the first 2 fights. what's so difficult to understand?

Only reason why JMM got a draw and got an "almost" draw in the 2nd fight is because he threw and landed more punches than pacman because he was catching up.
What you failed to factor in is the automatic 10-8 score for a knockdown.

Again, for the 3rd fight, with Pacman throwing and landing more punches + no knocked downs on both fighters, who do you think will win?

[Dinamita]

Who land the clean and effective punches?
Who had ring generalship?
Who controlled the tempo and the pace the entire night?

Pacquiao was aggressive but was it really effective aggressiveness? no.

That's how you score a fight. Not by compubox numbers.

Again, for the 3rd fight, with Pacman throwing and landing more punches + no knocked downs on both fighters, who do you think will win?

For the 3rd fight? Marquez 7 rounds to 5

[Baron Davιs]

Should have been a draw if anything, but Marquez's corner fcked up by telling him he was winning - was way too conservative down the stretch.

[Cry Havoc]

Marquez threw more, landed more, and landed more power punches in the first 2 fights.

try again.

and sure you can justify a DRAW

but try and justify 116-112

Close rounds go to the champ. Close fights go to the champ. This is almost always the case. Does it make it right? Not necessarily, like I said I had it a draw, neither fighter impressed me, and at the same time they were both impressive.

[Dinamita]

Fans and the boxing world was being spoiled by pacman. just because JMM was able to stand toe to toe against him doesnt mean he get robbed.
Everyone is just used to seeing pacman destroy everyone on the ring.
It was a close fight but pacman was the aggressor all night, everyone knows the judges will favor the aggressor.

In boxing there's a concept called 'ring generalship'. You see the aggressor as the only one controlling the fight. Marquez was the matador to the bull. He blocked and avoided most of what Pac threw while landing the counters. If you're giving rounds to manny on aggression, then it has to be effective which it wasn't. Causing lots of damage with the hits landed, or keeping a guy wary or on his bike, etc. Manny did not boss Marquez. He ran into tons of punches. He did not dictate the pace of the fight. He looked lost in a lot of those rounds.

[Cry Havoc]

Should have been a draw if anything, but Marquez's corner fcked up by telling him he was winning - was way too conservative down the stretch.

He definitely took his foot off the gas after round 10. Really hurt him I think.

[Dinamita]

Proffesional Boxers opinion:


SUPERJUDAH ZAB JUDAH 5x Champ!
Robbery!!!!

andreward Andre S.O.G. Ward
Marquez won this fight, period!!

jeanpascalchamp Jean Pascal
On my card Marquez WON!!!!

AmirKingKhan Amir Khan
Look mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds.

PaulMalignaggi Paulie Malignaggi
Dont ask me about the fight I will not give you my opinion except that I thought Marquez won #tk!

AndreBerto Andre Berto
Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank wasn't gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though

RealJoeCalzaghe Joe Calzaghe
Just watched Marquez v Pacman and have to say thought Marquez was robbed! Thought he won the first 2 fights also!

ChrisArreola Chris Arreola
Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****.

DarrenBarker82 Darren barker
Just watched the fight Jmm won that in my eyes clearly!

andredirrell Andre Dirrell
I really think so! But its so hard 2 sayRT @serhandayi7: @andredirrell JMM had a great night.....he'll always be a style problem for Pac

jcchavezjr1 Julio Cesar Chavez
Gano marquez hoy. Fue un robo juan manuel gano claramente. esto esto es malo para el boxeo. Saludo a todos

SUGARRAYLEONARD Sugar Ray Leonard
The fight against Manny vs Marquez surprised everyone except Marquez! What a display of mental, spiritual and physical training of a boxer!

_FernandoVargas FerozFernandoVargas
MARQUEZ 8 - 4!!!!!! THEY BETTER NOT ROB MARQUEZ!!!!

THEREALBHOP BERNARD HOPKINS EX
@FloydMayweather blow thru @MannyPacquiao easy!!

TheArtistPerez Michael Angelo Perez
If I was #Marquez I'll be holding my head high , cause the whole world know he won. **** what the judges say.

1Babybull Juan Diaz
Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges

More boxers chime in:

ChinoMaidana Marcos Maidana
Pobre Márquez lo robaron!

Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!"

OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."

Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"

Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"

Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"

Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"

Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."

Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"

Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."

Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."

Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"

Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."

Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"

[Gutter92]

LMAO @ Pacquiao...that was so smart...make urself look weak on purpose, but do enough to win the fight...maybe Mayweather stops ducking now that he thinks he can beat Pac? Genius


CROFL @ haters/Mexicans mad that ol boy got paid 25 mill, won the match, still @ the top of the world

[pawe]

That's 3 wins for Pacman and a big fat 0 for Marquez.
I would blame others too if I cant win against my opponent.
It's like Spurfans blaming the refs after a loss to the Lakers.

Blame the trainer for telling JMM he's ahead when he clearly is not.
You know what, blame his entire entourage for all the talking and shirts they're wearing saying he beat pacman twice. So in his mind, he probably thought he is the champ and he should just sit back and relax.

He should just accept defeat and not taint the wins with pussy moves like saying he got robbed or the fight was not called even.
I mean, when the did he knock down Pacman anyway if he was so good at delivering effective punches?

[Dinamita]

And then he wonders why they call them pac s..


If you haven't noticed yet the whole boxing world is saying marquez won.

[TheMACHINE]

Lol Mexican fan thinks being knockdown doesn't count in scoring.

Let's be honest here. Marquez shouldn't have his ass touch the canvas in the first two fights and he shouldn't have coasted the last few rounds in the 3rd fight. Simple as that. That's giving up points.

If anything you should be mad at Nacho.

[TheMACHINE]

Lol at posting tweets from mexican and black people as if they arnt butthurt to begin with.

[pawe]

Well, he did looked like he got robbed...of his clothes and money and left on the side of the street with just a sombrero.



This is good for Pacman if he's going to fight Mayweather. Bring back the focus on boxing and get rid of distractions.

[TheMACHINE]

Lol @ erik morales claiming "Marquez beat the out of Pacman"...really? LoL

[pawe]

Pacman sent Erik Morales to the hospital.

[Dinamita]

LOL pac s in damage control

Spurstalk professionals opinion > pro boxers opinion

Lol pacquiao after all these years still can't make in fight adjustments
Lol he has a right hand now
lol where was it?
lol exposed
lol again

[O.J. Simpson]

Even I'm sickened by this decision.

[Dinamita]

Even I'm sickened by this decision.

[pawe]

I understand the frustration. It's ok to be pissed, my friend.
Pacman sent your legends to the hospital.
He destroyed the best fighters Mexico has to offer.
Really, who's left?

[itzsoweezee]

A prominent SI boxing columnist had it at a draw:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t13_a5

I don't see how such a close fight that many boxing fans list as a draw is "robbery" if the victory is given to the champ. That's how boxing has been since it's been televised.

I had it a draw because Marquez hardly ever actually fought with Manny, he seemed content to rest on his laurels and just throw here and there. It would be one thing if these guys were on the undercard, but for Marquez having Manny so figured out, he certainly seemed hesitant to actually do anything except back up and throw straights. That's not how you TAKE a championship belt in my book.

Also: Since when have close rounds not gone to the champ? You want the belt? Don't leave it up to the judges. Don't even give them a choice. Dominate the fight thoroughly, or knock him the out.

Just like every other sport: If you let time go down to 10 seconds and you lose on a bad call, you can't really blame the refs, because you let it get there in the first place.

Manny threw more, landed more, and landed more power punches. They might not have been as flashy as Marquez's shots, but this is FAR from robbery. In a close fight the aggressor will almost always bear out the win, especially considering he's the champ.

This is a very reasoned, accurate assessment of the fight.

[itzsoweezee]

You guys still want to use compubox as proof?

According to those numbers Marquez clearly won the first 2 fights. what's so difficult to understand?

lol @ these selective statistics.