There was no political will not to reauthorize major points in the Patriot act
they had the votes to override a veto, this would have been law with or without Obama...
There was no political will not to reauthorize major points in the Patriot act
History is long, but you seem to not offer Obama any benefit of doubt,,,look at his history and ask yourself if his legal counsel is justifying torture or actively advocating indefinite detention or rendition of enemy combatants
what is gitmo, Dan?
therefore it deserved to win, we to lose. still sucks for us tho.
you ducked the direct question about Awlaki. will you dodge gitmo too?
The evidence is out there...just look
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/0...re/?hpt=hp_bn4"Two cases illustrate al-Awlaki's ability to attract followers online. The best known is the messages exchanged between him and U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, who is being tried for the murder of 13 people at Fort Hood in Texas. In subsequent interviews, al-Awlaki said Hasan had initiated e-mail correspondence with him in December 2008. Al Jazeera reported: "He was asking about killing U.S. soldiers and officers," says al-Awlaki. "His question was, is it legitimate" under Islamic law.
More than a dozen e-mails followed, with Hasan asking al-Awlaki about martyrdom, about when jihad is permissible (about which al-Awlaki had written volumes), the death of innocent bystanders in attacks. And after the shootings, al-Awlaki was quick to praise them. In the Al Jazeera interview, he calls the shooting "a heroic action."
"The operation had a military target inside America, and there's no dispute about that," says al-Awlaki, adding that the soldiers killed "were prepared and equipped to fight and kill oppressed Muslims." He also mocked U.S. intelligence for not picking up on the e-mail traffic. "
The guy was plotting to kill Americans. If he had remained in the U.S. he would have been apprehended, charged, and tried. He's a traitor who chose to flee the country and take refuge in a country that is hostile and lawless. Therefore, he forfeits his rights as a U.S. citizen. We should not be risking American lives in a place like Yemen to take him alive
Anwar al-Awlaki's New Radical Message
Radical Yemeni cleric calls for killing Americans in a video posted on online.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ssage-12087685
How do you know?
Who would there be to say?
what bull . expressing extreme or odious views does not extinguish birthrights, it is one.
(nor does traveling to an exotic, dangerous place. that's just silly, Dan.)
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-23-2011 at 05:09 PM.
you did did dodge gitmo
btw, attracting online followers and preaching to radicals aren't combatant activities in the usual sense of the word.
Wow. Pathetic on your behalf. There's criminals (read: murderers) hiding in other countries - do they deserve death just because they plotted to kill? Or do they deserve a trial and a jury and judge just like every other American?
You obviously don't have the foresight to envision what happens when such a precedent is set.
Says who, you? Who gets to decide when and where and why American civilians cease being innocent til proven guilty in a court of law?We should not be risking American lives in a place like Yemen to take him alive
when terrorists attacked us on 9/11
we forfeit our rights, or more accurately, they were forfeited for us
i edited ;P
and I hate to believe that even if it sounds true
the conceit of a fair show for the bad guys went out the window when we threw our own rights away for security theatre
Why stop at Yemen, Dan? Why not Detroit or Compton?
How much longer til the American version of Night of the Long Knives and the real life version of Hate Week...
we've opened the door
I tend to think it will take 100+ years for all the decadent crapola to unwind, but I don't know why. it's usually a mistake to think things will happen soon.
it won't be a pretty process. very bad things can and will happen along the way.
Obama will sign it
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