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    You can't be serious. Tracy McGrady is one of the top 5 players in the NBA.
    T-Mac scored 40 points and helped beat the T-Wolves in OT tonight. T-Mac is one of the top scoring guards in the NBA, Jordan-like sometimes. He was the leading West vote-getter for guards.

    I'd still take Manu for my earlier stated reasons. But then again, I don't get wrapped up in playing fantasy leagues. Maybe McGrady's back holds up long enough...and he leads Houston past the Spurs in the Playoffs...and if that happens, I'm open to changing my mind. Manu has the substance of a total basketball player, a lion-hearted champion. I happen to like that.

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    LJ - I think that if Manu "Retired" from the National team, he could play 35. Pop has "managed" his minutes this year, and he's still averaging more per game than last year.
    He's averaging .4 more minutes per game this season compared to last season (29.4 to 29.8). He's just playing so much better this season that it seems like he's on the court more.













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    T-Mac scored 40 points and helped beat the T-Wolves in OT tonight. T-Mac is one of the top scoring guards in the NBA, Jordan-like sometimes. He was the leading West vote-getter for guards.

    I'd still take Manu for my earlier stated reasons. But then again, I don't get wrapped up in playing fantasy leagues. Maybe McGrady's back holds up long enough...and he leads Houston past the Spurs in the Playoffs...and if that happens, I'm open to changing my mind. Manu has the substance of a total basketball player, a lion-hearted champion. I happen to like that.

    Rockets have beaten the Spurs twice this season because of Tmac.

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    You can't be serious. Tracy McGrady is one of the top 5 players in the NBA.

    YOu must mean top 5 FGs attemps per game.
    I would never have him in my team. He is the kind of player that only thinks about himself. Look at houston this year.... this guy have wasted the rockets season! They were better without him. Also orlando have improved much more!

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    Rockets are 2 and 0 vs. your 37 and 10 Spurs. Thanks to McGrady.

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    ...but they seem to lose to everyone else and their brother. If he's sucha ing wonder player, why are they in the bottom half of the WC draw? Regular season don't mean . We beat Houston HOW MANY TIMES in 94-95? Every regular season game, IIRC. They handed us our heads in the playoffs because they were the better team.

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    Rockets have beaten the Spurs twice this season because of Tmac.
    The first game, true. The second game, not so true. T-Mac was 10-28, while Gino was having to sit out the second half due to injury. The Rockets D was the bigger story in the second game and the Spurs could have used some of Manu's scoring and playmaking in the 4th quarter.

    I'll reserve judgment for after the season - sticking with preference for Gino right now.

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    Did you not watch the game tonight? Tmac killed the Twolves. You pull his number and he makes the shot.

    They beat the Spurs twice. The best team in the NBA. That isn't scary?

    The rockets have 3 centers to throw at Duncan. No one on the Spurs can guard Tmac. The only thing they are lacking is a damn point guard.

    They might peak here in the next few months and do well in the playoffs. They have the defense for the playoffs and they definitely have one of the best crunch time players.

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    Tmac killed the Twolves.
    Yay. He can put up points on a team clearly sleepwalking through the season. BFD.

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    I know one thing, I wouldn't want to be playing the rockets in a close game with tmac on the floor. The Spurs would probably lose more times than not.

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    Press the Rockets, and expose their weak PG play. Attack with Parker on the other end. Other than TMac, their shooting is spotty. Play some Zone, and make them beat it.

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    Where is Parker going to attack? Over Yao and Mutombo/Howard? Parker is not a good shooter. The Spurs didn't shoot well against their defense for some reason, Duncan was tripled and no one could help. Its not that easy.

    The Rockets don't have a point guard, Tmac is taking on that duty as well.

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    Did you not watch the game tonight? Tmac killed the Twolves. You pull his number and he makes the shot.
    Everyone's killing the Wolves. Weak take.

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    True.

    Tmac is still one of the best in the NBA. 2 and 0 vs. Spurs.

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    TMac wasn't the reason we lost that 1st Rocket Game...Pop was.

    Our offense sucked, and it choked down the stretch of that game...

    Barry, Horry and Beno played a combined 23 minutes in that game.

    It's Pop when we do that ...look at the LA game.

    Segu, if that impressed you you must be nutting over the Raptors bench players...they came back on us from 20 fown after Cater and Jalen went out of the game.

    That Houston loss is on Pop, he did stupid subs utions in that game...the only bench guys that got any minutes were Devin(who made a numnuts TO on the last play) and Rose(who sucked that game), and that was the second night of back to back.

    Don't be saying some dude is great because the Spurs offense choked...if you take that approach you are going to be in love with a lot of ty players and teams...

    , Chucky Atkins nearly did the same thing to us last night.

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    Where is Parker going to attack? Over Yao and Mutombo/Howard? Parker is not a good shooter. The Spurs didn't shoot well against their defense for some reason, Duncan was tripled and no one could help. Its not that easy.

    The Rockets don't have a point guard, Tmac is taking on that duty as well.
    I agree with you that the Rockets are playing very well. TMac is not really taking on the duty of PG. Bobby Sura is and he's really upped his play, since he became healthy again. He's not a true PG but he's doing okay and Strickland is spotting him with minutes as a backup now.

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    One last time...

    TMac played for the worst team in the NBA last season, he lost 19 in a row, the second longest losing streak in NBA history.

    The Magic traded him and they are better now...the Rockets traded for him and they are worse.

    Isn't it supposed to work the opposite of that if the guy is a SuperStar?

    A Super Star should improve a team...observe Shaq and the Heat...

    The Heat gave up nearly their whole freaking playoff team for him...and they are better now, and the Lakers suck.

    Figure it the out, TMac is an over-rated piece of crap.

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    And Jack hit 4 three pointers in a row also...only he did it in the playoffs.

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    Let's take what I like to call a stupidity test...

    Type the letter A if you think Manu wouldn't score more points if he was taking 11 more shots per game.

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    OMFG!

    Step away from the keyboard and go take your medication.

    I think I already answered your question quite clearly. Go back and read my previous post.

    The point about team play was not specifically addressed to you, but to all people that think that players are like legos that can be added and removed like bricks on a wall. You pick players to fit in a team, so absurd hypothetical scenarios of just picking between player A or player B without context (teammates, salary, team cap, position, etc.) are about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle.

    Good nite.
    Thank you for telling my to take my medication. I appreciate it.

    And no, you didn't really address anything I expected you to. You merely restated the whole 'team play' concept. And basically implied that Manu is better than pretty much any player who is not a superstar in this league. At least that is the impression I get.

    Going by your synopisis of Manu, he is a Top 10 basketball player in the World+NBA. It is hard for me to gauge what your true opinion is on NBA players. You value team play, unselfishness and you state it over and over. But I still do not get the sense of how you judge players. I guess it does not matter, and you are not interested in the type of debate that I am so I guess its pointless to continue the argument.

    However I do not appreciate the comments you make towards myself -- you know how I feel about the Spurs, Ginobili, Argentina and team ball. And it suprises me that you preach to me about it as if you do not even know my opinions on the matter at all.

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    Not a damn thing. Lots of people are good when it doesn't matter (like the qualifiers). See McGrady for one, or our favorite Turk Hedo frozen in the corner vs. LA Turkoglu.

    That's the whole point. TMac can put up big numbers and win games in qualifers, or in December, when it's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

    When the chips are down in the post season, Manu wants the ball. TMac wants to go golfing.
    Did Tmac want to go golfing, or did his teamattes? Or could it perhaps be that the team he faced was simply....gasp.......better?
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    One last time...

    TMac played for the worst team in the NBA last season, he lost 19 in a row, the second longest losing streak in NBA history.

    The Magic traded him and they are better now...the Rockets traded for him and they are worse.

    Isn't it supposed to work the opposite of that if the guy is a SuperStar?

    A Super Star should improve a team...observe Shaq and the Heat...

    The Heat gave up nearly their whole freaking playoff team for him...and they are better now, and the Lakers suck.

    Figure it the out, TMac is an over-rated piece of crap.
    Overrated? Sure.

    Is he garbage, like your tirades make him out to be? Not even close.

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    Overrated? Sure.

    Is he garbage, like your tirades make him out to be? Not even close.
    Absolute trash...

    You may not have a problem with guys making 15 mil a season that tank games...but I sure as do. He'd be the last guy I want on my team.

    He may be a decent guy off the court, but one the court calling him trash is an insult to trash. And the dumb SOB is too stupid to realize how stupid it is to admit he tanked games...I'm sure the Orlando Fans really want him back.

    19 losses in a row is 19 losses in a row Nikos. Find another Super Star that has done it...How good can he be if he played for the worst team in the NBA last season?

    I'd take AJ before I'd take TMac..

    ing AJ can lead a team to 21 wins as the best player on the team, he'd do it for cheaper...and he'd at least have enough compe iveness to be bossy, if not develop a 3 shot or be able to shoot FT's.
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    Absolute trash...

    You may not have a problem with guys making 15 mil a season that tank games...but I sure as do. He'd be the last guy I want on my team.
    It bothered me a bit too. I lost respect for Tmac last season. He was one of my favorites to watch back in the day. That respect diminished for me after last season.

    But I refuse to deny that he is an excellent player and talent in this league.

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    Absolute trash...

    You may not have a problem with guys making 15 mil a season that tank games...but I sure as do. He'd be the last guy I want on my team.

    He may be a decent guy off the court, but one the court calling him trash is an insult to trash. And the dumb SOB is too stupid to realize how stupid it is to admit he tanked games...I'm sure the Orlando Fans really want him back.
    Shouldn't, ANY player who tanks be considered trash by your standards? What does it matter if he makes 15 million or 1 million?

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