Willie Anderson was a draft pick with no negative history.
Dennis Rodman had a rep as being a little bit of a lunatic at the time, but I don't think anyone but Scottie Pippen thought he was anything less than a fierce compe or...he didn't have the rep Malone has. He certainly didn't have the rep Qyntel Woods has. And he wasn't then what he is now. Actually Rodman had some pretty nice things said about some of his off court behaviour(not the suicide thing but the thing with the autistic child)
And just so we are clear on this...I don't think AJ was the anti-christ...I just think he sucked badly as a PG, did an excellent job of finger pointing at everyone but himself, and talked way too much after leaving. Character wise...I think he's basically a good guy and I have said many times I think he will make a fine coach.
Most of my animosity towards Avery comes from comments he made after leaving the organization and the insane homerism that tries to retire his jersey, credit him with us winning the le in 99, and claim that he is responsible in any way shape or form for the greatness of Drob.
No doubt you're right, but would have, could have, might have, should have, never happened. We have Tony and Manu, who look pretty damned good right now, don't they? And we had David Robinson for his entire NBA career - what a friggin' shame, eh?
This is pro sports. The Spurs would have dumped David Robinson for Chris Webber. They would have dumped Tony Parker for Jason Kidd. They would have dumped Manu Ginobili for Kobe Bryant.
We only have two NBA championships! How awful! How many NBA championships have been won because of the inclusion of some of players you mentioned (with the exception of Bryant, aided and abetted by Shaq)?
I like our team! Stop dissecting and bisecting, adding and subtracting. Are you that dissatisfied with their performance to date?
Be a fan, damn it! The Spurs are smokin'!
i say no we have a good team karl is freeloader just seeing which coat to hang onto and win a ring thats what he has been doing sitting on his lazy ass watching the games and looking at which team can win a ring for his lazy no good for nothing ass
so i vote no malone that it no freeloaders Tim has alot of weight to carry so RC Pop
please don't add more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps the bandwagon is full karl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just stating the facts, ma'am. I was against all three of those moves, by the way.No doubt you're right, but would have, could have, might have, should have, never happened. We have Tony and Manu, who look pretty damned good right now, don't they? And we had David Robinson for his entire NBA career - what a friggin' shame, eh?
We only have two NBA championships! How awful! How many NBA championships have been won because of the inclusion of some of players you mentioned (with the exception of Bryant, aided and abetted by Shaq)?
I like our team! Stop dissecting and bisecting, adding and subtracting. Are you that dissatisfied with their performance to date?
Be a fan, damn it! The Spurs are smokin'!
Anything I say will be unprovable...I mean what is provable in this sort of thing? Can anyone prove Kobe is responsible for Phil and Shaq leaving LA?
As you mentioned, Drob used his influence to keep guys like AJ on the team, I think Drob was a big reason Rodman, Strickland and Wingate were run off. Put it this way, I didn't hear Drob complaining when it happened at all and he seemed very agreeable with the moves of the team. I think Drob was a big reason for the return of Elliott. Drob made his presence felt in this organization when he was in his prime and after he was born again. Don't you remember the story about him getting pissed about Larry Brown cussing in the huddle and the episode about the guys reading porn?
You're wrong about that...it existed. I'm not saying that every guy on the roster was a candidate for Man of the year, but by and large compared to other teams, the Spurs had a very high character standard...if guys ed up around here the Spurs ran them.I had beef with this comment of yours:
"That high character era of the Spurs is over. Over, it's over, It's only lasted this long because SA seems to boring to the thugs Pop tries to sign."
I'm saying the high character era never existed. You're acting as if something has changed.
And I think there is a difference in the way you and I define a high character organization...
I look at the 03 Champs and I see that as a very high character roster...I know you guys will bring up Jack, but at the time he wasn't what he is now. And to me he's still not in the same class as Qyntel Woods...I mean the dude went into the stands to protect a teamate and got baited into fighting.
He may not have been high character in the way Drob is...but he wasn't a negative either.
And I'd say that hold true for most of the past 15 years.
It's not that there were never any s bags on the team, but they weren't known quan ies when the Spurs got them, and they didn't stay around very long if they were bad dudes.
You go and look at our roster from 89 on...Maxwell wasn't a bad guy the first time he was here...Wingate got dumped, Strick got let go...
We traded for Rodman but Rodman really wasn't that bad of a guy when we traded for him. He had the Piston's rep...and he had the episode where he was found considering suicide...I didn't consider those things as making him a bad guy at the time. But once he showed what head he really was...it was time for him to go. And I gurantee you Drob was happy to see Rodman go by the time he left.
You guys just won't be happy until Drob gets no credit for anything to do with this organization will you?
How does David Robinson get credit for that? Yeah he was an awesome guy and you know what? He also had the Spurs bring in the other part of their foundation ... Avery Johnson. Those two guys were the rocks of the Spurs for much of the '90s.
I like Robinson as much as you do but you can't give him credit for everything. Maybe he's the one who left the money under your pillow.
You AJ Nazis have already taken away any credit he got for the 99 le, Duncan carried soft Drob and AJ lead soft Drob...
To listen to you guys talk Drob was just basically this big gaping vagina that had to be told how to play and cajoled into giving effort...and now you don't evne want to give him any credit for impacting the way the Spurs organization handled himself...
With fans like you guys...who needs Shaq?
......he basically rates about third on the credit list for that le, when in fact he probably deserves the most credit for it(since he was the guy that guarded Shaq and he was the guy that gave up the star glory, and if he doesn't deserve the most credit Elie does).
And anyway, what you fail to realize is the tremendous impact Drob had on guys like Jack(while he was here) and Malik, and the direction of their lives.
Last edited by whottt; 02-06-2005 at 01:58 AM.
I go one more thing to say hit the road karl and come back you lazy
sucka
I meant don't come back
Drob made everything good here and you hit him karl
Go spurs
Look, there's a difference between guys like Webber, Jack, and even Strickland<<I don't really like those guys, but they aren't total s bags......and guys like Kidd(wife beating punk), Malone and Woods(s worst attempted signing ever)...Malone really isn't a bad guy off the court, and it's probably not that fair to put him in with Kidd and Woods... but on the court he is a lowlife s bag that deliberately hurts guys. These are not your typical signess...I mean the Blazers didn't even want Woods anymore...they a freaking lottery team.
Look I can live without the Spurs being a high character organization...I mean , I'm a Cowboy fan and a Ranger fan...and I won't stop being a Spur fan.
But I was proud of the perception of this team and the Sportsmanship and good dude example set by David Robinson that filtered through the entire organization...damn right I am protective of it...damn right I am proud of it...and damn right I will miss when it is gone(and it will be sooner or later).
I can live with it...but Spurfans that are on their high horse...coughMarcusBryantcough, coughT(tanktheseason)Park need to get off it...MB is in here talking to Pooh about Jack, while he is creaming over the idea of signing Qyntel Woods. If they are gonna be that full of BS and post their opinion on the forum, I think it's only fair that they get called out for it.
uM... Whott, there's no such thing as the tooth fairy. And I really don't want to bum you out, but no such thing as Santa. Or Jesus.
Um, Writer, I don't mean to bum you out...but you a ing joke on two boards. STFU and go act condescending to someone that is actually stupider than you are(you'll find him right after you find Santa)
Ok, well then you can get back to your fantasy land. Is your Mom at your door right now with a glass to her ear?
Does she ever let you out Norman?
Reasons I would sign malone
1.He would guard amare stoudamire as good if not better then duncan.
2. keep him away from other teams
3. If guys like jerome james are gonna say stuff about knocking manu down... what other player would u want to have your back?
4. people say he's dirty? ALOT of people say Bowens dirty. (even players)
I don't...that's a weak attempt at humor by one of the board owners. He likes to pretend that Juwan didn't knock DA out of the game in the 01 playoffs...and he likes to pretend Juwan didn't deliberately shove Manu out of bounds last season, causing him to miss 5 games.
And seeing as how this is the first post of yours that I have ever read...I don't really care what you think either. Somehow I made it 5500 posts without you.I don't care if Whott thinks that the white-hat days are over. I don't. And, I don't disapprove of Karl Malone because of the elbow to DR years ago. It's not a matter of superior morals.
Did you actually read anything I wrote? Pop not having to deal with bad eggs isn't because of his own doing...he's tried to sign some bad guys, like some of of the worst guys in the league, he just hasn't been successful at it...yet.I like the fact that Pop doesn't have to deal with recalcitrant players. The SA fans like these guys, the sports writers and announcers like these guys.
You can't wear a white hat with Qyntel Woods on your team. And on the court you can't really wear one with Malone on your team.
Yawn.
It's a good thing you are too stupid to realize that you should kill yourself out of shame.
Oh but with David around to swing his "weight" around, none of this would of even been brought up. David with all that "stroke", David, the guy who said Malone should be the guy to replace him. That David?
David had no stroke with this team in terms of who they were going to sign or not sign. Quit making up things to take up the empty space in your mind.
Yeah, that was a really good 8th grade comeback.
Now little Michael, let the grown ups live in the real world and have a serious discussion. You can go back to Neverland and play with all the little boys.
Yeah, because players never have any influence on their organization right?
And you ing are running Santa Claus smack at me?
You the one living in fantasy land.
Driving home to Newport Beach...so he drives 10 hours south (500+ miles) out of his way to San Antonio. Hmmm?Malone had been at his Arkansas ranch and was driving home to Newport Beach, Calif., when he stopped to visit with Spurs officials.
No player has enough stroke to decided the moves a team makes, whether a player stays or go. You're the numnuts who actually believes this.
And don't use Kobe as an example. He made the Lakers pick between the two.
Dude, you keep impressing me.
Whoa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are so many people chomping at the bit to get a guy who is 95 years old and coming off of a serious knee injury? At the end of the day I don't think he's going to be able to anything that Malik or Massenburg aren't already doing for the Spurs. I respect the out of his compe ive fire and I can certainly see why that appeals to Pop. If he retires (which I think he will) the case could be made that he would be the greatest player to never win a championship. But at this point he is also an unnecessary personnel change to a team that is already playing first place basketball.
Hold on, so you're saying that Kobe forcing the Lakers to choose ISN'T an instance of a player influencing team moves? Last time I checked trading a superstar center counts as a "team move" and Kobe was certainly the driving factor behind it. And what about tossing Phil Jackson?
How about a few more examples. Vince Carter pouted until he got a trade, I think that's a sign of holding some sway on the powers that be. And I know he's not the first. , A.I. has run off more head coaches than I can count. If a player is a club's meal ticket, and they know when they are, they can exercise a lot of sway. Sorry, Writer, but you're way off the mark on this one.
Are you really this ing stupid?
Ok, I won't use Kobe as an example...I'll use Jason Kidd as an example. I'll use Tim Duncan as an example. I'll use Kevin Garnett as an example. I'll use Shaq as an example. And so on and so forth.And don't use Kobe as an example. He made the Lakers pick between the two.
Dude, you keep impressing me.
Just STFU.
And btw, that wasn't a comeback, it was the truth...I sincerely think it's good that you aren't ashamed to post. I would be if I were you.
It was also the truth when I said you are joke at 2 boards...you really are. Is there anyone whose ass you haven't tired to tongue and been told "no thanks"? How many guys have been banned for being stupid like you were?
I was stating the truth...I felt I needed to do that since you seem to pride yourself on knowing that there is no Santa. You want reality...there it is.
When you force a team to choose between you and another person, that's not the say as having stroke. It's just making a team decide if they want you. Any superstar can do that. No superstar and say fire this guy, hire this guy, sign him, release him. ETC. You're out of your freakin' skull if you believe that.
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