Damn it! Well thanks for giving me an example to use!Just kidding.
Manu could have just as easily done what he did to that ankle practicing in a gym somewhere, as playing in the Olympics.
I actually do not think it is as drastic an injury as people think. I believe the Spurs got to him to keep him from playing on it.
timvp with the voice of reason.
It is what it is and all the ing and whining and he-shouldn't-have-played won't change it. I hope it's not too serious, and I hope he recovers completely. It's a shame he got hurt but there's not much else to do but wait it out.
I believe the Spurs got to him to keep him from playing on it.
With all the leverage they have -- oh, that's right -- they have none.
He didn't land on anyone, he didn't step on anyone, he just cut and passed the ball. I'd say his ankle is pretty ed up right about now.
I think it's a good thing that Manu wanted to play for Argentina. The only problem I have is he should have been totally healthy. If the ankle wasn't healthy he shouldn't have played. Most people that are defending it will do a 180 if it turns out to be serious, and s up the Spurs season.
Yeah he could. But had he done what the Spurs said to do, rest for a couple months, rehab, the do some workouts, he probobly would've improved by now.
But no, Manu is a doctor.
Try this one
Joe Johnson (ATL)
for
Manu Ginobili, Matt Bonner
(Bonner is there to make the salary cap stuff work)
The salaries work. Does ATL do it? Does SAS do it? Picks from Either side?
Manu is better than Johnson per minute. Johnson plays more minutes. Manu is a better leader and more clutch.
People on here take the Spurs way to seriously, they value them to high. No one has a right to criticize him since no one here knows what it's like to be a part of select few to represent your country in the O's.
Would you say that if you were paying him 10 mil a year?
That is pretty close to fair value, considering Joe is much younger. He is not the compe or that Manu is but the fact that he would be playing primarily shooting guard is a bonus because he is more productive when he does not have to play point guard. I do not think Atlanta does that or the Spurs, but if we had to trade Manu, I would not be upset at the return we got for him.
Everyone's turning on Manu all of a sudden. You have to understand that the things that helped the Spurs win three championships are the same things that made him want to play for his country. You have to take the good with the bad.
Like I said before, the Spurs knew what they were getting in him. The knew they'd have to hold their breath.Would you say that if you were paying him 10 mil a year?
The Spurs knew what they were getting when they inked Manu. There are no surprises, just hope that he is ok and that he is not traded for nothing comparable in return, if at all.
You realize Manu didn't diagnosis himself as ready to play, right? He was evaluated by doctors.
I just can't help but shake my head in disbelief at this crap.
Manu is injured again. The guy is going to be the next Grant Hill the way he is pushing himself. And as he ages the arthritis and the recovery times will just get worse. I can't blame him for pushing himself. The guy is a of a compe or, it's just that perhaps if he had made better choices earlier, if he would have shut it down for the months after he first started injuring that ankle, he might have a few more rings and possibly a shot at another medal...
Every time the tendons get inflamed, his arthritis will get worse. I have to hope that they can do something with surgery soon, so that they can stabilize the entire ankle before he even thinks about standing up without an air-cast...If not surgery, he needs to shut it down for the next 3-6 months....
It's too bad that the rest of his career looks like it might be plagued by the constant worry of re-injury and a nagging lack of explosiveness. I wonder if after this we will ever see a consistent super Manu ever again?
It's not a question of representing your country.
Manu wasn't healthy going into the Olympics and he KNEW it. He willingly risked further damage by playing and that is not right at all. I'd be pissed as at him if he were on the Lakers.
It was his decision. Right or wrong (we will never agree).
Knowing Manu, he won't regret it.
Now it's Spurs management's call.
Trade him or keep him.
I don't care anymore.
One other point to make is that if Kobe showed the slightest sign of needing to shut it down the US team would and could shut him down. The US team, for all that Kobe brings to the table for them, would not risk losing access to NBA stars if a player of Kobe needed to shut it down and couldn't. And the US team could suffer the absence of Kobe or any of it's stars without missing a beat.
Manu has every right to play for his country. This meant far more for his team and teammates than sitting out. If it costs him this season, it's more than worth it.
It's the Spurs' fault for not building a bench to sop around these problems.
I feel this is the key to the next few years as a whole, and the injury from this morning's game was a symptom, not a cause.
Ginobili is more likely than not to be past his prime. Whether that's because of the burnout of playing so much and so hard, injuries, or time catching up to a player on the wrong side of 30, that's the situation. He's a jumpshooter now, it happens to everyone when they lose their athleticism. Maybe it'll come back in stretches, but it's done. He'll heave up more and more three-pointers, the Spurs will be easier to stop. He'll also have more and more turnovers as his attempts to drive without being capable of the moves he pulled 3-5 years ago will be easier and easier to defend.
He probably is 'limited Manu' now, based on age and wear and tear. And the Spurs aren't talented enough to win a le with 'limited Manu' unless bad things happen to other teams.
Can't really trade him, nothing the Spurs get in return can make them better.
The Spurs have had their opportunities to add talent over the years to try to alleviate some of the pressure but wasted it (Including he who's name must not be spoken).
They've done nothing this off-season to change that either, other than adding Udoka 2.0 in Roger Mason and keeping obstacles in place to guarantee that Mahinmi won't be a difference maker. Getting boned by Splitter didn't help.
It's a shame, but "it is what it is".
I think forcing a Game 7, and winning Game 7 in NO, cost him a lot mentally and physically. He was drained and probably had a mental meltdown that sometimes happens when you come from a high.
I hope he will be healthy. That said, he's probably going to restyle his game again with more jumpshots than wacky drives. He already showed improvement in his midrange jumper last season.
Oh God no...sounds like he's turning into Vinny Del Negro!
The same reason some of you are mad at Manu is also the same reason you love him on the Spurs. Doug Collins actually said something insightful today by quoting Pop. I think the line was Ginobili may be more of a compe or than he is talented.
If Manu took off the Olympics, you might as well call him Ted because it wouldn't be Manu. He's crazy, fearless, and he'll do anything to win. Manu was never going to have the polish of Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant - he comes with a lot of good and a little bit of bad. It's just part of what you get with Manu. Playing in the Olympics wasn't a heady decision if you were taking a standardized test essay, but it was something Manu had to do.
The Spurs knew what they were getting when they inked him to that $50m deal.
I just got home. Haven't watched the game. Is it THAT bad? Or did he just tweak his ankle again?
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