T-Mac's 13 pts in 35 seconds
Kobe's 81 pt game
Laker/Kobe fans are the worst. If I don't kiss his ass, I'm a "hater?"
100 > 81
This is like calling someone a hater because they think Wayne Gretzky (894) was a better scoring center than Marcel Dionne (731).
It's a pretty simple concept. Points scored in a game is a counting stat. Bryant's 81 is only 81% of the "real" record/accomplishment. It us not impressive by definition. Similarly, Marcel Dionne's 731 goals scored by a center is @82% of the "real" benchmark, or 894.
Do I have to draw you a picture?
I don't get why you're trying to make this argument so black and white.
There are so many factors and variables that are different when Wilt played and got 100 and when Kobe played and got 81. You can't just compare the two as apples-to-apples, unless you want to oversimplify the out of things.
81 points in a game is a COUNTING STAT. By its very nature, it doesn't account for context. What is so difficult to understand?
Kobe's 81 points doesn't account for the compe ion, how many shots attempted, etc. As a counting stat, it is lower in magnitude than another context-free counting stat, i.e. Chamberlain's 100 points.
Is it that simple? No. However, suggesting that someone has to be impressed by someone's context-free counting stat is equally simplistic horse .
13 points in 35 seconds is next to impossible. Everything has to happen just right, it's like one in a million. Somehow I just don't buy it that Jordan couldn't score 81 if he wanted to.
It's not that Jordan couldn't have scored 81 if he wanted, it's that he never came close. He never broke 70 points. This is a man who averaged over 30+ ppg several times in his career. Don't act like he never tried to fill up to the stat sheet, early in his career he was labeled a ball hog just like Kobe was.
It wasn't until the 2nd half of his career that he became the Jordan we all know and love. When he was young he was ruthless and reckless on the court, trying to do it all by his lonesome.
mmm 69 point along with 18 boards
Jordan might have put up stats but he just never tried to score that many in a single game or he would have, plain and simple. There wasn't anything Jordan couldn't do
That one impressed me more than the 81 point game. Better opponent, closer game, bigger performance.
Actually, that wasn't a closer game. It was a blowout by the middle of the 3rd.
In the Toronto game, LA was down by as much as 20 in the 3rd before Kobe really got hot and didn't take a lead until the 1:11 left in 3rd. It was less that 5:33 left in the 4th before LA stayed ahead by 10+.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXZY4eVLlo
What does that mean? Smush Parker and Kwame Brown suck. Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Devean George and Luke Walton as well.
The Raptors may have sucked, but the Lakers weren't much better that year.
It doesn't matter, ask any NBA player this same question and they will all say Kobe Bryant's 81 hands down. Ask any NBA player who the best in the game is right now and they will all say Kobe Bryant. Only on silly internet forums with pimple faced teens is he hated on.
and Eagle County too.
The Mad Hater has done his research here. Can you hook me up with some stars of the NBA, I wish i could talk to them like you do.
And only people who can't understand why someone would be more impressed by a rate stat than a counting stat ride Kobe's jock this hard.
I'll make it so simple that even you can understand. It is perfectly logical for someone to be more impressed by 100% shooting in an incredibly stressful situation (impressive rate stat) over 81 points in a meaningless game (impressive counting stat).
Only a fool would trot out "81" as if it means something in of itself. "81" doesn't account for Bryant's FGA, shooting percentage, level of compe ion (defense on Bryant), time or number of possessions, etc. Then consider that "81" isn't even the record, and you can color me unimpressed.
81 points in a game impresses people that want an amp that goes to 11*. It doesn't impress people who understand that 11 isn't necessarily "one louder."
* My apologies to Nigel Tufnel.
Tim Duncan's 21-20-10-8 is infinitely more impressive than Kobe's 81.
i think people fail to realize how incredibly difficult it is to score 13 points in 33 seconds in a ing NBA game, regardless of what Reggie Miller may have done in the past.
Kobe never came close to such a clutch performance in his career.
you seriously are a ing idiot.
you are telling me lebron was jacking shots up only, while kobes came completely in the flow???
Kobe had a whopping 46 FG attempts, as well as another 20 FT attempts, which means he had to have went for at least 50 shots (13 and potentially more being 3 point attempts), in a 4 QUARTER GAME.
lebron had 33 FG attempts (3 being 3pt attempts) and about 14 FT attempts in a game that went to 2 ing overtimes.
The lakers had a bad first half, being down by 14 at halftime (hardly a blowout), but actually ended the game blowing the raptors out.
The Cavs and Pistons (one of the best defensive teams in the NBA) were neck and neck the entire game, and Lebron then took over. Lebron also had a nice 7 assists and 2 TOs, as opposed to Kobe's 2 assists and 3 TOs.
So much for Lebron just jacking up shots and Kobe playing in the flow. I've never heard of 50 shots being in the flow. Your facts are incredibly skewed.
lol predictableOh Im sorry, that was on your beloved Dallas Maggots. You guys were suppose to win it all that year huh. Hey, did you see the look on Cubans face when that guy blew that layup...
that was MUCH more impressive than his 81 point game IMO.
You mean 21-20-10-9. I still think Duncan should have gotten credit for a block that went to DRob late in the game.
I agree, by the way.
Here's another thing that Kobe fans have a hard time appreciating. At some point, one man's triumph is another man's fluke.
Since 1986, there have been eleven (11) times that a player has scored over 60 points in an NBA regular season game. In comparison, there are well over a hundred times that a player scored between 50 and 60 points in that same period. This seems logical and reasonable. Scoring 61 points should be exponentially more difficult than scoring 51 points: limited number of possessions, shooting fatigue, triple-teams, etc.
Of the eleven instances of players scoring over 60 points, Bryant leads with 81. He also holds 3 of the 11 spots. Michael Jordan accounts for 4 of 11. David Robinson, Karl Malone, Shaq, and Tracy McGrady account for the remaining 4.
A few things jump out at me. Notice that all of these players are what we call "really awesome at basketball." With the exception of McGrady, these players are all no question, first ballot HOFers. In contrast, even a Tony Delk or a Dale Ellis can score 53 points once in their careers.
Whether we are discussing DRob's 71, Bryant's 81, or Chamberlain's 100, one fact stands out. These were not compe ive games, and they wouldn't have been compe ive games even if Robinson, Bryant, and Chamberlain had sat 48 minutes. Common sense also bears this out. To score significantly more than 61 points becomes even more exponentially difficult, so many things have to break your way. That is, you need a patsy for an opponent, an opponent who isn't willing to hurt you to get the ball out of your hands, an opponent who can't effectively triple-team for some reason, a gajillion shot attempts, and a coach who thinks this crap is more important than resting his best scorer. Quite a synchronicity, really.
Obviously, scoring 71, 81, or a 100 points isn't easy, even against the Washington Generals. That's why it doesn't happen more often, and why we see the names we do on these lists. Still, you almost have to ask if it's more of a fluke than a career highlight. It takes a lot of luck in addition to skill.
All within the flow of the game, whilst sitting 6 minutes, and at an incredibly efficient FG% of 60%. Simply incredible, simply the best there is right now. Kobe Bean Bryant, respect.It's the greatest scoring night any of us have ever seen, except for the few among us who were in the arena in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on March 2, 1962. In other words, it's the best performance in NBA history, except for Wilt's 100.
It was 1.7 points per minute, or, in this case, 1.9 points per minute, since Kobe actually sat six minutes against the Toronto Raptors on Sunday in the Lakers' 122-104 come-from-behind win in L.A.
It was 66 shots -- 46 field goal attempts and 20 free throw attempts. Of those FGAs, 28 found the net (60.9 percent), including seven of his 13 3-pointers. Eighteen of 20 free throws followed suit. (Yes, Kobe's free throw streak ended -- at 62.)
It's this -- 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 3 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 2 1 3 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 1 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.
It's enough to make you wish he'd have had a faster start, instead of "only" 26 in the first half ... to be followed by 27 in the third quarter ... and 28 in the fourth ... picking up speed with all the inevitability of gravity itself, a runaway train, a basketball bouncing down a steep driveway.
After the game, Kobe insisted it was "a big win" and said getting the W was the most important thing. Not sure anyone believes that, but it was remarkable how Bryant's scoring affected the game, far more than his usual onslaught.
Three minutes into the second half, the Raptors led 71-53. Bryant already had all four of the Lakers' second half points, giving him 30 for the game, but then he cranked it up -- later he would say that he had gone into overdrive because the Lakers were "lethargic," as if he needs a reason.
Over the next 80 seconds, he made a basket and two 3s, cutting the 18-point lead to 12. The Lakers and Kobe kept coming and, late in the third quarter, when he stole a pass and tiptoed down the sidelines to get loose for a dunk and make it 87-85, he put Los Angeles up for good.
Speaking of getting Los Angeles up, Kobe turned on the Showtime crowd for one of the greatest spontaneous celebrations ever for a single player.
For his audience, this was not about beating the Raptors but rather the pinch-me thrill of being in the arena during the greatest individual performance of the past four decades.
It was M-V-P! M-V-P!
But it was more than that -- it was the growing sound of 18,997 paying customers every time Kobe got the ball, and an expectant whoosh every time he went up to shoot, and a noisy, giddy sigh every time he missed, and a roar every time he made the basket or was fouled. It was the sound of a crowd at the circus, watching the trapeze artists at work, watching the greatest show on earth.
And while it's easy to forget when Kobe goes off, especially when the opposing team wears RAPTORS on its chest, this was an NBA team he was doing this to -- a team that was leading the game handily before he really got going.
That team, with talented players like Chris Bosh, Jalen Rose and Mike James on the floor, was clearly rattled, or worse. When everyone realized what Kobe was up to, both teams responded emotionally. The Lakers got a charge from Kobe's energy, while the Raptors were both distracted and overwhelmed. After a 63-point first half, they managed only 41 points in the second half, including only three baskets during a decisive nine-minute stretch.
A month ago, Lakers coach Phil Jackson (along with Kobe himself) held Bryant out of the fourth quarter, when Kobe had 62 and the Lakers had the game vs. the Mavericks locked up. Jackson was criticized, in the Daily Dime and elsewhere, for his decision.
This time, he might have had the same impulse, but he thought better of it. Late in the game, he said later, he told assistant coach Frank Hamblen he would take Kobe out. "I don't think you can," Hamblen replied, according to Jackson. "He has 77 points." And Jackson left Kobe in, until a Toronto turnover with four seconds to play allowed him to remove Kobe for the ovation he deserved and, indeed, even a half-hug from the Zen Master.
Jackson did the right thing this time, because Kobe ultimately wasn't playing against the Raptors. He was playing against all the guys who never scored 80, or even 70 -- Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Karl Malone, Bob McAdoo, Oscar Robertson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Pete Maravich, George Gervin, Bernard King and on and on.
Thanks for tha love, you my number one fan
I'll rape the outta your mouth even if you a man
Since you're so in love with how good my taste
I wanna ask right now if I can in your face
You are an idiot, and the article you quote is even more idiotic.
"Jackson did the right thing this time, because Kobe ultimately wasn't playing against the Raptors. He was playing against all the guys who never scored 80, or even 70 -- Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Karl Malone, Bob McAdoo, Oscar Robertson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Pete Maravich, George Gervin, Bernard King and on and on."
Since Pistol Pete is dead, I'm pretty ing sure that Bryant was playing against the Raptors, after all. Scoring 81 points with a corpse guarding you is probably pretty easy.
"For his audience, this was not about beating the Raptors but rather the pinch-me thrill of being in the arena during the greatest individual performance of the past four decades."
Which, oddly enough, consisted of beating the buzzsaw that is the Raptors. Call me crazy, but I think you would have some pretty pissed of Laker fans if Bryant scored 81 in a loss to the Raptors.
You cannot have 46 FGA "in the flow of a game." This is a self-evident fact when sometimes entire teams don't have 46 FGA in a regulation game. It's the equivalent of shooting someone "accidentally" fifteen times, reloading, and then shooting them "accidentally" fifteen times again.
Kobe's game was like watching a movie unfold. T-Mac's well his performance was completely unexpected. Game was out of reach. Spurs had that game won. Then T-Mac exploded. It was jaw dropping. Most of the fans were already headed for the doors.
The T-Mac Show
Posted on December 11th, 2004 by Ash Haque
“Tracy McGrady needed only 35 seconds to turn a sure loss into an improbable win and a listless 20-point night into one of the league’s most memorable clutch performances.
McGrady summoned the late-game magic of Reggie Miller on Thursday night, scoring 13 points in a final flurry, including the game-winning 3 with 1.7 seconds left to send the Houston Rockets to their biggest last-minute comeback in franchise history.” Source
“I swear, I’ve never been a part of anything like that, I don’t realize what I did,” said McGrady, who finished with 33 points, eight rebounds and five assists in the 81-80 victory.“With just over a minute left in what seemed to be another ugly home loss, the Rockets were being roundly booed following Sura’s airball on a 3-point attempt left Houston with a 74-64 deficit.
By that time, much of the crowd of 16,170 at Toyota Center had cleared. The rest were heading for the exits.
McGrady looked into those emptying stands, and for a brief moment, conceded defeat.
“I was like … we had our chances of winning the ballgame. But, hey, we played a great team and we kind of gave it away at the end. But, I like to say, those fans that walked out … there were thousands of them … they missed a good show,” said McGrady.They sure did.
McGrady’s closing burst seemed to come from nowhere, especially considering he had scored only 20 points on 8-of-25 shooting up to that point and had briefly went to the locker room earlier in the quarter with stomach pains.
He returned, and with 35 seconds left, hit a 26-footer to cut the San Antonio lead to 76-71.
Spurs forward Devin Brown calmly sank two free throws to seemingly put the game out of reach, but McGrady responded with perhaps his most jaw-dropping basket of the night.
He pump-faked Tim Duncan off his feet, leaned into him to draw contact and tossed up an off-balance 26-footer as he tumbled to the court. The shot was good, and McGrady made the free throw for a rare four-point play to pull Houston within 78-75 with 24.3 seconds to go.
“I don’t know how I got the ball up, because he’s so tall. After that shot right there, that shot really got me going so far as my confidence. Every time I came up the court (afterward) I just felt like whenever I shot it (would go in),” said McGradyDuncan, who had a season-high seven blocks, couldn’t come up with an eighth when the Spurs needed it most.
“It was a great play,” Duncan said. “He just made tough shots.”And McGrady wasn’t done.
Duncan hit two free throws to give San Antonio an 80-75 lead, and McGrady quickly followed with a 3-pointer over Bruce Bowen with 11.2 seconds to go.
San Antonio called a timeout to set up the last play, hoping for a foul. But Brown fumbled away the ball under the basket, and McGrady scooped it up.
As he raced down the court with his eyes focused squarely on the basket, McGrady was thinking just one thing.
“I was going to take my chances going for the 3 and go for the win,” said McGrady.There was little doubt his running 27-foot jumper was going to go in. McGrady turned around, pumped his fist and soaked in the cheers.
San Antonio guard Tony Parker missed a final desperation heave, and McGrady was mobbed by teammates near midcourt, while red-and-white confetti poured from the roof. The Spurs watched the celebration then walked off the court in stunned silence. ” Source
You can also check out the highlights of his performance at youtube; video.
http://www.bballcity.com/the-t-mac-show/
So T-Mac hit three 3-pointers plus an and-one 3-pointer in 35 seconds. That is very impressive.
Rodney Rogers hit three 3-pointers in 9 seconds.
Why do people keep bringing up how bad the Toronto Raptors were when Kobe scored 81 points? Kobe isn't the only great NBA player to play against teams. How come no one else scored 80 points on teams. There have been teams with piss poor defenses every season since the NBA started. How come no one else other than Kobe and Wilt scored over 80 points in a game?
Kobe's 81 point game might not be better than some other great performances, especially ones in the playoffs when the games matter much more. But, stop discrediting 81 points like anyone could have done it against the Toronto Raptors. The fact is, other than Kobe and Wilt, no one else did. That tells you no matter how much you think the Raptors team helped, it's still pretty ing ridiculous to score 81 points in an NBA game.
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