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What are you smoking? Of course the contract goes up.Yeah its not like its gonna go from 7 to 9 to 11.
its actually gonna go DOWN!!
Not that this matters, but Malik doesn't make $7M. He makes $5.4M this year and barely over $6M next.
What are you smoking? Of course the contract goes up.Yeah its not like its gonna go from 7 to 9 to 11.
its actually gonna go DOWN!!
That's assuming that they will be close to the Lux Tax threshold. I don't see that.
The Spurs are looking to milk that arena deal a little bit. There should be no excuses for them now. They're not playing behind the blue curtain anymore.
Also if I am not mistaken I recall Holt claiming that he was prepared to lose the Lux Tax distributions and start paying a little tax.
So he said.
Chill ex, I thought he made 7 this year, and then 6 the next.What are you smoking? Of course the contract goes up.
Therfore going down.
Settle settle.
Malik's contract has been keeping pace with the average league salary. His salary increases at about $500K per year.
Total BS, to think thats too much.
If this trade goes down, Im suggesting a protest of the team.
Lets examine those two statements in the same post, TPark. Cliff Robinson smoked dope, that is established. However, the Jazz already want to get rid of Boozer, after just signing him last summer? Why? Could it be that he and his agent lied their way out of the previous deal to hit the open market? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone who smokes some pot on the Spurs (we probably already do) than a liar like Boozer.I dont know why the theyd trade for a dope smoking stiff like him to begin with.
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Now if they could package Rose and Rasho for supposedly Boozer who the Jazz want to get rid of.
Well.
Boozer is locked in for 6 more years, so there isn't much more he could lie about I dont think.
Other than stuff like injuries I dont know.
Good question why the Jazz want to dump him already.
It's also assuming there is going to be a tax.
True. There might still be a tax but I suspect that the threshold will be bumped up a little bit.
Think about how many NBA owners would have a problem with paying out the current Spurs' contracts.
Also, this year the Spurs have the 7th lowest total payroll in the NBA (#24) at $47 mil. If you add $6 mil for the rather significant change in TP's salary next season and assume everything else holds constant, then the Spurs would have the 9th lowest total payroll (#22).
They're not even in the top half of the league in total payroll. Malik's contract is not some great burden for them.
http://www.nationwide.net/~patricia/misc/salaries05.txt
Team Payrolls
1. New York Knicks $102,442,544
2. Dallas Mavericks $91,553,496
3. Portland Trailblazers $83,671,312
4. Philadelphia 76ers $71,951,888
5. Minnesota Timberwolves $70,060,920
6. Memphis Grizzlies $67,010,824
7. Orlando Magic $66,445,252
8. Indiana Pacers $65,792,068
9. Los Angeles Lakers $65,059,100
10. Boston Celtics $64,577,356
11. Sacramento Kings $61,807,688
12. Toronto Raptors $61,703,772
13. Houston Rockets $60,222,300
14. Miami Heat $58,949,072
15. Chicago Bulls $57,276,136
16. Milwaukee Bucks $57,137,128
17. New Orleans Hornets $56,572,880
18. Golden State Warriors $54,943,724
19. New Jersey Nets $54,729,028
20. Detroit Pistons $54,574,980
21. Seattle Sonics $53,821,300
22. Washington Wizards $49,547,056
23. Cleveland Cavaliers $49,175,272
24. San Antonio Spurs $47,149,172
25. Los Angeles Clippers $45,170,768
26. Denver Nuggets $45,621,812
27. Phoenix Suns $44,256,720
28. Utah Jazz $43,160,808
29. Atlanta Hawks $40,684,848
30. Charlotte Bobcats $23,380,124
Last edited by SPARKY; 02-10-2005 at 05:32 PM.
Look at that. The Spurs have a complete 8 man rotation (with the best player in the NBA no less) locked up for the next 4 seasons and they are in the bottom third of the NBA in total team payroll.
Parker gets a raise.
Probobly Ginobili
Nesterovic
Duncan might, or it stays the same.
Payroll will increase more than just Parker's 6 million.
Ill say this though, its an article about SPECULATION.
It more than likely wont happen, so lets chill on getting worked up over nothing.
Damn, look at where Phoenix and Seattle are, too.
Too bad for some cities you can't fire the owners.
When you also consider the fact that they have the draft rights to 4 prospects overseas, two 1st round picks this year, Sato and LJ3 on IR this year, and Devin Brown desiring to stick with his hometown team one starts not to buy their rationale of running Malik off because they need to move his contract. They have a nice pool of prospective talent and they can keep the rest of the roster filled out for cheap with them as well as old timers looking to score a ring and willing to play for the minimum.
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Last edited by SPARKY; 02-10-2005 at 05:55 PM.
You know what ... as a person who admires what Malik Rose brings to the game, I'd almost like to see him get traded so he can put up stats and put it in the faces of these Spurs fans who hate him for no reason. Sure he's not Tim or Dave, but he's a good championship level piece.
If he's averaging 15 and 10 on a Golden State or Boston team and the Spurs have to sign Carl Herrera or JR Reid as their backup big man, I don't want to hear any of you Malik hating Spurs fans complain.
It could be the Spurs have the scenario of obtaining both Malone and Cliff, moving Rose out to reduce team tension. Malone is certainly an upgrade and Cliffy works out fine on the IR. That might what the Spurs are thinking.
Yet Malone and Robinson would be here until the end of the season. What I suspect the Spurs are thinking is that hey, we can pay Scola $2 mil per because he's just glad to be in the league instead of paying Malik $6 mil per.
Now, if Scola can play like Malik for $4 mil less then fine. But that remains to be seen.
Personally I think Scola would make the ideal eventual replacement for Horry.
timvp,
I find you to be knowledgeable and fair. Having read what you said about Malik, why, in your opinion does Pop seem to have this never-ending drive to get rid of him? I don't believe Pop would move someone he felt was intergral to the success of the team. I am not a Rose hater, but see his shortcomings. Help me understand.
Unreal, another thing we agree 100% on Spark.Personally I think Scola would make the ideal eventual replacement for Horry.
Malik and Scola off the bench next year wouldve been fantastic.
Scola and Sean Marks off the bench next year makes me cringe.
I don't want the Spurs to trade Malik for Clifford Robinson. I'd like to go on the record so T Park doesn't put words in my mouth later on.
I DO want the Spurs to sign the Mailman for the remainder of the season at a prorated $1.1million because they won't have to sacrifice any of the true talent currently on the roster.
Problems with Malik:
1) His contract. The Spurs need to get rid of some money and have promised Holt that they'd do so. Out of the people who are locked in long-term deals, Rose is the player who the Spurs see as the least vital.
2) Tenure. With a disciplinarian as coach, a player who is longer tenured gets less leeway because the coach must show to be even handed. That is why Pop blasted Sean Elliott repeatedly when he became coach, because everyone knew they were best friends off the court. That is why eventually, Pop had to get rid of AJ. Being a disciplinarian only works if everyone feels they are getting treated equally, and that becomes more difficult to do when a player has been around a long time.
3) Size. David Robinson's size and athletic ability used to cover up for Malik's lack of height. Now that David's moved on to more important things, Malik not being a seven-footer is more noticeable ... especially when you have a small forward masquerading around as a power forward in Robert Horry as the team's other backup bigman.
4) Emotion. When the starting lineup didn't have a pulse (think Robinson, Duncan, Ferry, SSmith, Porter), Rose's emotion off the bench was looked upon as a good asset. Now with emotional players like Parker and Ginobili in the starting lineup, the Spurs think they need a calming influence off the bench.
Those are the four main reasons why Malik Rose will one day get traded.
Personally, I think all four are pretty much BS reasons. Rose has a fair contract and can put up the numbers if given the time.
I think with Rasho as your starting center you have to think about having good bigman depth. Moving Rose before you know what Scola can do in the NBA is not a good idea.
timvp,
Thanks. I agree those are not very good reasons to move a good player. And, I consider him to be a good player, with a fair contract in today's market. My thinking is that you move him if you can get someone who can add more value than Malik, and I suppose that is a matter of personal opinion.
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