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If you want to be a stiffer live with people giving you grief, don't come crying to us that people give you grief. If you can't take the heat then don't go out to eat. See how stupid that sounds?
WTF? Dude, its not cool to call a female a dog. If you want to say she is snobby or something like that, but dude, lay off the dog treatment.
If you want to be a stiffer live with people giving you grief, don't come crying to us that people give you grief. If you can't take the heat then don't go out to eat. See how stupid that sounds?
What do you mean with "those" restaurants?
Every restaurant in NYC charges you tips of 18% if you are part of a group of six or more, regardless of the service they provide.
Last edited by smeagol; 02-13-2005 at 10:55 PM.
Who said I can't afford going to restaurants other than fast food?. Believe me Clandestino, I can.
I just think its ludicrous to charge an 18% commission for doing such a basic thing as serving you food.
Tipping in the US has gotten out of hand. Cab drivers in NYC will yell at you if you don't tip them (and they ussually yell to you in a foreign langauge). Even guys who cut your hair expect a tip.
Tipping should depend of quality service, not just on tradition.
I start at 20% and then go down or up depending on the level of service. I have no problem tipping 0% if warranted or 50%.
Why is it ridiculous? The price is either going to be on your bill as a tip, or as a higher priced food item because the establishment has to pay a higher wage.
You have ever opportunity to bring any unacceptable service up with management. But what recourse does the server have when he encounters someone who is just cheap and decides to screw them?
you cold make such political comment.... but please... but first, try to get some informations...
as a french, i would say that most of the french people disagree witht he american government cause we see that they do so many mistakes abroad.... i understand that you reelected bush because you care about the national conditions..... perhaps he has a charisma.. i dont know and i dont care in fact..... but if ONE day, you go abroad and try to know about other people and and other CULTURE, you will see that bush has made some terrible mistakes (war in order to do business, no war against korea, environment, ...) and put the world against USA... i think european people are enough informed to know that it's just the government that sucks.... other countries dont have this knowledge of how some media can change the opinion.....
anyway, try to read a little bit and stop to watch cbs or any murdoch related media.... but first, come to europe, and you will see how we love americans...
we ust cant bare the businessman who lead your government
Tipping should go back to its original form (i.e. before the meal). Tips is an acronym meaning To Insure Propmt Service. That way I could know what assholes to slack off on, and which to pay attention to.
Oh and I hate the fact that the kitchen has any effect on my tip. I didnt make your steak, I cant magically will it to be cooked the correct temp, taking it out on me will serve NO purpose whatsoever. Call corporate, talk to management, hey quit patronizing the place . . . these things will get you results by weeding out the bad cooks.
I don't blame the waitstaff if the food is slow. I know it's not their fault, but I do appreciate if they come by once in a while to explain why the service is slow. I've had waiters that take your order and you never see them again until bill time.
Outside of Ruth's Chris because that's a different level, I have never, EVER had bad service at Champps. I've always had great waiters and the manager always stops buy to make sure your meal is okay. I don't know how they train, but they're doing something right.
Applebee's sucks. Have always had the missing waiter there.
Oh, and I usually tip 20%. It's easier for me to figure out...
Why don't you go buy a brain b/c obviously you're not using it. Just listen to what you're telling me. Do you honestly think any owner, whose business is dependent upon people heading out to eat, would go for this statement? Of course not. If he did, he wouldn't be an owner of a business for very long. Remember, I'm the customer. I'm the one paying for a service. If I'm not happy, I'm spending my money elsewhere. And if I'm not happy with any service anywhere, I'm keeping my money in my pocket. And if my money is in my pocket, it's definately not in your pocket or the owner's pocket. Which isn't good news for him if he's planning on making a living.
If I want to leave a tip, I'll leave one. I'm certainly not leaving a tip out of pity (poor college kid) or guilt (being a bad person or cheap). I'm leaving a tip b/c I feel the service is worthy of one or b/c I'm requesting a favor. There is no obligation on my part to leave one.
As for a valet, I'm not tipping that GOOF unless I'm requesting a favor. , if I'm getting valet, I'm paying for it. Last time I checked, parking valet isn't free. Why pay a valet unless you're requesting more then just parking the car in the lot? It makes no in' sense. If I'm gonna do something stupid like that, then why don't I tip everybody. Why don't I tip cashiers for giving me correct change? Why don't I tip a mechanic for fixing my car? Heck, while we're at it, let me tip the cable guy for installing my cable? Where does the stupidity stop?
Again, if he doesn't like getting stiffed, he should find another occupation. Getting stiffed is a part of the occupation. Live with it.
Truer words were never spoken.
i think i'm a good tipper. whether my bartender or just the nice lady at the taqueria...and i do tip the sonic gals too....i'm probobaly a little cheap on pizza delivery tips...as i usually give him like 2 bucks...and that probobaly amounts to closer to 10%.....and this makes me think how i need to give more at church on sundays.....oh well, nobody is perfect......in miami, it's 15% automatically added to your bill...so count your blessings...
point is, manu is manu. he should expect top class service, and he should tip. ten bucks wouldn't kill the mans bank account. but to each their own....
It's ridiculous b/c tipping isn't about rewarding quality service anymore. It's about paying a salary for service I already expect from an establishment. And remember this and remember it well. You're in the business of pleasing people. If you do your job well, you'll be rewarded. Life isn't a in' garden of roses. There will be times when you'll run into a in' cheapskate after serving his ass like a king. You'll have to eat that and continue on b/c the next time there might be a guy who will drop a $20 or $30 for the same type of service. It's a part of the job. If you can't hack that , then find another job.
Do you think a Car Salesman likes it when they work on a potential buyer all day only to have them leave for the day with no sale. Then to top it off, the same customer returns on another day when you're absent and purchases the car with another salesman. Now, that would suck. Especially when you might spend your whole week there. But that's the life of a salesman and if you can't handle it, you need to find another occupation. If you're good, the payoff is worth the bad moments.
Where do you think I worked? Some jack ass ty place like the Atrium? Grahm Central Station?
COMPLIMENTARY VALET service at the places I did it at, was FREE as a courtesy the customer. That is exactly why it is customary to TIP.
When we did parties and private events such as Tux and Tennis, there are options to have the tip built in, so that the valets are tipped out at the end of the night but that is a more expensive option. The other option is to have a customary tip to the valets of an amount that the driver chooses.
I should have known. I should have known the moment I looked at your response that your experince with this would be at much lower end establishments. I'm sure your idea of fine dining is Chilis, and thats fine.
But you are obviously NOT familliar with the customs at places with a much higher standard of service.
So, who's the GOOF?
Continue to be a lousy tipper. I can only imagine how that karma is going to bite you in the ass.
Last edited by MannyIsGod; 02-14-2005 at 07:15 PM.
I used to deliver pizzas part time a few years ago and I can tell you that 2 bucks would have been perfectly fine. Only the greediest drivers would ever give that kind of tip a seond thought...unless you made him or her wait 15 minutes while you find your wallet or something.
Hey Manny...I asked Manu why he stiffed you and he said it was because your service SUCKED.
Ok...not really.
He seems like a nice guy and I'm gonna guess that it either slipped is mind or he was under the impression for whatever reason that the Valet was a paid (as in you get paid without tips) service and thus did not require tips from those who use it.
I'd just give him the benefit of the doubt. I seriously doubt it was because he was just cheap.
I'm not a mind-reader, you whinny . How else would I know where you're parking cars if you're not telling? Based on the amount of class you exhibit, I wasn't assuming anything extravagent.
Where do you think I worked? Some jack ass ty place like the Atrium? Grahm Central Station?
In other words, you getting a sub-standard salary for parking cars. Hmmmm, seems like you're pretty STUPID for accepting such a position, college boy. You'd think you'd learn something about earning a dollar in school. I guess school isn't doing a very good job of penetrating that primative brain of yours.
Really mister high-class? Is it really fine my idea of fine dining is Chilli's? How often do you pay for your meals at high-end establishments, mister high-class? Mister poor college student. Mister zero-class who has the nerve to post on the man's website about getting stiffed. How often do you pay to dine at high-end establishments instead of working at them?
You are. Customs such as these are for chumps or GOOFS such as yourself. And believe me, you're a GOOF. That's why you're complaining. You see me complaining about that ? , the only thing I'm complaining about is your whinning about getting stiffed. I don't care about that bogus theory of tipping now-a-days. I don't like it, but I'm not complaining. And you know why? B/c I don't participate in it. If I feel a service provided should be rewarded, I won't hessitate to tip graciously. In my opinion, you're an idiot for working at a place that provides you with sub-standard wages. If I were you, I'd only work at places where tips were "built-in" and reap the benefits of the many people who tip anyway. Oh well, have fun living in chumpsville.
Wrong assumption, college boy. I'm not a lousy tipper, I'm a wise tipper. You're just upset b/c you're getting your packed in when people don't participate in this bogus theory of tipping.
You should know by now that life isn't fair. You have to work hard and be a good little trooper in order to make your money. Nothing in life is just handed to you on a silver platter. So don't get upset when you don't get what you want. Work through it and move along. If you can't take the heat, get out. Stop complaining. You'll get more accomplished that way. Now class is over.
Last edited by Louae; 02-15-2005 at 12:21 PM.
louae... go for a walk... youre getting hysteric
Manny was just making kind of a joke, and Im sure Manu would also understand it like that...
Now, If your wrong about an argument, be a man and accept it... name-callin g is not the most intelligent way to argue against someone you seem to think is inferior to you only because he goes to college...
college boyhahah is that some kind of new insult?? whats wrong in going to college?
lol.. If you cannot read minds then you could ask first...
and.. if you get a free vallet parking, then you SHOULD tip the guy, because you should be paying him for the service...
so you see Manu....you see what you caused.....5 frickin bucks....
or at the very least....have a free one of these ready...
one, it didn't sound like a joke. two, Manny isn't acting like it's a joke, so I'm not either.
That's the thing, Egg. I don't think I'm wrong in this argument. But believe me, if I did, I'd be man enough to own up to it. I've lived long enough to swallow enough humble pies to feed a hippo. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.
There's nothing wrong w/ going to college. , I went to college. But now that I've been working for a while, I see that kids who are still in college have this "ivory tower" type mentality. Not all kids, but many. , when I look back when I was in college. I'm pretty sure I was one of those kids as well. I guess it's a phase. But "college boy" is a nickname that points to this "ivory tower" mentality where students think they know it all.college boy
Why would I ask? I would have to know more about vallet service in order to ask that type of question. I've never been a vallet so I wouldn't know how they pay someone providing that service.lol.. If you cannot read minds then you could ask first...
In this instance, I'd agree. B/c if I CHOSE to vallet park, I'd expect to pay for that service and if it was FREE, I'd tip. But if you had no choice but to vallet park, then I could definately understand how someone would think that it's not necessary to tip. I know I'd think that. I'd think that was something provided by the establishment. Do you see where I'm coming from. Either way, I think it's low-class to be posting on some guy's website about getting stiffed. It's a part of the job, in my opinion.
i don't think it was low class at all. i find it humorous. manny was inquisative, but polite. if anything, manu might be more inclined to tip for good service from now on, so it served a purpose.
what i don't understand, is a superior at ude and panties in a bunch. you don't wanna tip? don't. you do? then tip. but spare the dramatics. it's really not that big a in deal.
That's cool. You're en led to your opinion.
Truer words were never spoken.
That's why I can't understand why manny would feel inclined to complain.
If you are working on tips then you have to work for the tips. If I ever get a waiter or waitress that just plain sucks and didn't do anything to earn a tip then I leave no tip on the table. Now if I saw that they were trying and gave a great effort and the service was great then you will like the tip I give you.
Louae, you attended college, but have you ever been taught to read?
You said I didn't say it was a joke, HOWEVER, this:
Was posted on the first page.First, it's a joke that many people (See SpursWoman's first post) would get because they saw me right after it happend.
Second, expecting a tip when one is customary is not begging.
Anything else?
You assume a whole of a lot. I worked that job because I made a load of money from people that tip well. Manu didn't tip at all, and he had a rep with the valets of being a stiffer.
I'm not going to argue any further with you; you already admitted he should have tipped.
Apparently so, since I'm not right next to you parking cars.
No, I said it didn't SOUND like a joke. What triggered me was the sarcasm involved in your second sentence, "Second, expecting a tip when one is customary is not begging. Anything else?". Then you follow it up by posting, "Oh and to be fair, tipping in the US usually does ensure that you get a decent wage for the services you do. There are times however, when you do get stiffed and it simply pisses you off. Especially when people working these jobs for the most part are college students who can't afford to have someone's bad day to translate to a ty payday. you ever work in a position where you work for tips, you never tip badly again."
Well, when you leave so little information, assumptions must be made in order to respond to a statement. Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of room for a misunderstanding. While I do think he should've tipped if valet parking was free, I can see how he might have stiffed you by accident if he didn't have the option to park the vehicle himself.
You apparently can't read.
MANU HAS A REPUTATION FOR DOING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. This wasn't an isolated incident.
And yeah, I guess you have to assume because of the law they passed against ASKING QUESTIONS.
And where on earth do you not have the option to park the car for yourself? It's a service, not a punishment.
And you're right, me being a valet last year while being a student is definetly an indicator that I can't read. Shouldn't you have followed up that bold deduction with an "Elementry" Sherlock?
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