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    This is naked political posturing because they both have campaign managers, advertising they've bought and troops doing the ground game thing. As for calling off the debate, if I'm Obama, I offer to move the debate to DC, announce that I am working on a joint statement with McCain, and most importantly, that Presidents need to be able to mul ask.

    This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.

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    It's very simple.

    Obama cannot focus on the quan y of facts of the bailout issue and vcampaign at the same time. If he votes, they are either uninformed votes, or voting as someone else tells him he should.
    Give me a break - he can't read briefing books on his plane?

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    If Obama harps on thsi it looks even more political. , it seems as though McCain just upped the ante with this move. I just have no idea how it could play out.
    Obama and his advisors are pretty smart guys. They'll strike the right tone.

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    BTW, George Bush gets a big ing F for the way he's handling things right now. Someone tell the asshole he's still president and he can't check out just yet.
    Keep up Manny.

    President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003. His decisions now, right or wrong, will be what he believes is best. I just hope it isn't the wrong decision.

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    Keep up Manny.

    President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003. His decisions now, right or wrong, will be what he believes is best. I just hope it isn't the wrong decision.

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    This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.

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    All of this is immaterial. The bill will be passed and it will spell doom for this economy.

    Its another attempt at kicking the can down the road.

    The average American NEEDS to get their ass kicked. We've been living on Monopoly credit/money for almost 15 years and somehow this isnt supposed to bite in the ass?

    The experience a non-bailout situation would give your average American would guarantee nothing like this would happen again for at least another 70 years. Maybe, just ing maybe, balancing a budget might become more important than moral issues meant to distract your dumb, ADD ass like abortion or gay marriage.

    Cull the herd, I say.
    Two cans of paint, baby.

    You spray the Black Checks

    I'll spray the Red X's

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    This is naked political posturing because they both have campaign managers, advertising they've bought and troops doing the ground game thing. As for calling off the debate, if I'm Obama, I offer to move the debate to DC, announce that I am working on a joint statement with McCain, and most importantly, that Presidents need to be able to mul ask.

    This reeks of desperation by McCain - he's losing and needs another Palin Hail Mary pass to rescue him.
    Whatever agency it is that runs the debates said that the debate is still scheduled and can't be moved to a different venue (on FOX in case anyone has an issue with that)

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    Give me a break - he can't read briefing books on his plane?
    If you say so.

    Written by who, at what time delay?

    How much will he understand for each vote of amendments.

    Oh wait...

    You cannot vote by proxy in the senate!

    I guess Obama would just be irrelavant in the most important post election issue in years!

    He will surely lose after the McCain campaign exploits this!

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    President Bush wanted to fix this back in 2003.
    Source?

    Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.

    He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.

    Go on. Step up, I want to see what you base this statement on.

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    Whatever agency it is that runs the debates said that the debate is still scheduled and can't be moved to a different venue (on FOX in case anyone has an issue with that)

    Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?

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    If you say so.

    Written by who, at what time delay?

    How much will he understand for each vote of amendments.

    Oh wait...

    You cannot vote by proxy in the senate!

    I guess Obama would just be irrelavant in the most important post election issue in years!

    He will surely lose after the McCain campaign exploits this!
    You do realize we have this new technology called the internet, cell phones, video linkups, etc, right? He only has to be physically present to vote.

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    Obama probably doesn't want to suspend because he has a lot of new being said about him besides trying to counter the Muslim rumor and the raising-everybody's-taxes lie.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us...groups.html?hp

    McCain going to Washington will be interesting. Will he save us or will he be a sideshow? Will Obama follow McCain or will he stay above the fray (or aloof) outside DC? One thing for certain is that BushCo has lost his influence.

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    Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?
    Apparently it is some other organization that runs the debates, not the campaigns.

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    I already addressed that in a different thread.

    Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.
    I don't know the details. It could be lack of republican support, or senate democrat filibuster.

    He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.
    It was government regulation to make bad loans in the interest of community development that caused this, along with an SEC rule change last summer.

    Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.

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    Source?

    Do also tell me how he didn't get that accomplished with years and GOP control of both houses of congress, if it was really a priority for him.

    He was sayin as recently as a few months ago that government regulation wasn't the solution.

    Go on. Step up, I want to see what you base this statement on.
    The Bush administration and members of Congress last summer joined in a call for tougher regulation of the giant investment firms following a purge of top management at Freddie Mac. The Freddie Mac board removed former CEO Leland Brendsel and others for alleged failure to adequately manage the company's earnings restatement for the last three years. According to a subsequent company report, the company flouted accounting rules to present Wall Street a misleadingly smooth picture of earnings growth.
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...e-fannie_x.htm

    Thats a 2003 article so shouldn't be too much revisionist history.

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    You do realize we have this new technology called the internet, cell phones, video linkups, etc, right? He only has to be physically present to vote.
    My God man...

    Have you ever followed a senate proceeding on C-Span-2? It is rather time consuming and information intensive. There is no way he can do the same quality job without physically being there.

    Watch C-Span-2 sometime while the senate is in session.

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    Obama probably doesn't want to suspend because he has a lot of new being said about him besides trying to counter the Muslim rumor and the raising-everybody's-taxes lie.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us...groups.html?hp

    McCain going to Washington will be interesting. Will he save us or will he be a sideshow? Will Obama follow McCain or will he stay above the fray (or aloof) outside DC? One thing for certain is that BushCo has lost his influence.
    Obama has to go; otherwise those "present" votes are going to come up again (even though those are apparently very common in Illinois politics).

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    Yeah, it can't be moved to DC. Whatever. Why not?
    The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners. Its primary purpose is to sponsor and produce debates for the United States presidential and vice presidential candidates and to undertake research and educational activities relating to the debates. The organization, which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, 501(c)(3) corporation, sponsored all the presidential debates in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000 and 2004.
    http://www.debates.org/

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    This is just surreal.

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    I already addressed that in a different thread.


    I don't know the details. It could be lack of republican support, or senate democrat filibuster.


    It was government regulation to make bad loans in the interest of community development that caused this, along with an SEC rule change last summer.

    Please find and refer to the correct thread for farther questions to me on the matter.
    SEC rule change last summer is what caused this?

    How long have these mortgages been out there?

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    Apparently it is some other organization that runs the debates, not the campaigns.
    The Commission on Presidential Debates is not going to insist on holding the debate in Oxford, MS if both campaigns agree to move it to DC.

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    My God man...

    Have you ever followed a senate proceeding on C-Span-2? It is rather time consuming and information intensive. There is no way he can do the same quality job without physically being there.

    Watch C-Span-2 sometime while the senate is in session.
    So he can't synthesize and process information from a remote location? He needs his sense of smell, taste and touch in order to cast an informed vote?

    You're really reaching here.

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    The Commission on Presidential Debates is not going to insist on holding the debate in Oxford, MS if both campaigns agree to move it to DC.
    I was watching fox, they had the head of the commission on...she said the debate was going to be on Friday in MS no matter what. Thats what I heard and thats what I typed. I'm not arguing with you, i'm just letting people know what is going on in case they aren't by a tv.

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    http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...e-fannie_x.htm

    Thats a 2003 article so shouldn't be too much revisionist history.
    Except that the call for tougher regulation of the two was to counter the restatement of earnings, not stop buying ty mortgages.

    FAIL.

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