Is there a God?

[2centsworth]

professional life coach

is that the same as lust for baselinebum.

[DPG21920]

No but the bodies that are depicted in the calendar aren't theory. They're real right down to the mathematical precision used to calculate the rotation of the sun and earth as they're precieved through the ages using said calendar. What is in the calendar is exact without debate or question and can be mathematically calculated to check authenticity. The very dates depicted are identical to significant dates in Jesus's life. I'm debating those dates found in religion and the relation of Jesus Christ back to the relevance of the calendar and other similarities to all the previous dieties before Jesus. They are all nearly identical. Those are facts not opinion.

Its like you saying that our yearly calendar is theory because we haven't found all the galaxies. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. The calendar is based on what was known and found in its time. There is no denying it because its mathematically provable.

You are obviously not into science. In science the word "theory" is not used to exemplify the traditional meaning. It is used to reference that science continually changes and adapts and gets re-worked as knowledge grows. It echoes my point that even though math is finite (to a certain degree because there are variables in math that are "unintended"), that everyone knows that there will be room for improvement and there is a possibility that the calculations are wrong. You still need significant proof to have scientific theory, but it leaves wiggle room.

[BacktoBasics]

No it is saying that religion and beliefs have been around for a long time and new ones are constantly being developed. So you saying there is coincidences means absolutely nothing, because to be quite honest it is not surprising. That in no way makes one thing wrong. 2+2 = 4 does not mean there is no God.

To be able to map stars and seasons is very cool but that makes sense how we can do it. No one can explain with great certainty how the stars and seasons came to be. Which is the point I am trying to make.

For the millionth time I'm debating the orgin of religion and Jesus not god. Because to prove where Jesus came from proves that your belief structure is non-existent.

I never argued that there is no chance of a higher power. There may very well be a higher power but its not in the likeness that you people so eagarly worship...because I know where the basis of modern worship came from. I argued that Jesus and modern religion is a farce. That Jesus was a direct depiction of previous gods that were originated from persona's manifested out of a provable mathematical calendar in which the dates of importance are identical to the very ones you worship. Only they existed thousands of years before you ever worshiped them in the persona of one Jesus Christ. Who is the son of "god".

You simply don't get it. None of you do and none of you ever will because you faith won't allow it.

[Bigzax]

this thread delivers...i haven't seen b2b owned so hard since he walked in on his ex mid-coitus...

and where is miamiheat? we are all still waiting for him to 'shatter' our world with his reality...

[BacktoBasics]

You are obviously not into science. In science the word "theory" is not used to exemplify the traditional meaning. It is used to reference that science continually changes and adapts and gets re-worked as knowledge grows. It echoes my point that even though math is finite (to a certain degree because there are variables in math that are "unintended"), that everyone knows that there will be room for improvement and there is a possibility that the calculations are wrong. You still need significant proof to have scientific theory, but it leave wiggle room.

I understand your point here and I agree. However just as certain as the rotation of the earth around the sun is the calendar is equally if not more mathematically logical. The calendar has been put to the test and its "theory" has been founded to be mathematically verifiable. To me at that point its considered certifiable fact. Now if another variable arises it can be re-opened but as of right now the math justifies the body of work as being authentic and without debate or question. There is no unanswered variable within the calendar ok. It mathematically jives.

[DPG21920]

For the millionth time I'm debating the orgin of religion and Jesus not god. Because to prove where Jesus came from proves that your belief structure is non-existent.

I never argued that there is no chance of a higher power. There may very well be a higher power but its not in the likeness that you people so eagarly worship...because I know where the basis of modern worship came from. I argued that Jesus and modern religion is a farce. That Jesus was a direct depiction of previous gods that were originated from persona's manifested out of a provable mathematical calendar in which the dates of importance are identical to the very ones you worship. Only they existed thousands of years before you ever worshiped them in the persona of one Jesus Christ. Who is the son of "god".

You simply don't get it. None of you do and none of you ever will because you faith won't allow it.

Once again we all get what you are saying but you fail to see why we do not feel that is enough. We understand that as time as gone on, people have morphed and changed things and they are based off of other cultures "gods" and "beliefs". That is only natural with the progression of time and cultures. That does not offer any proof that Jesus did not exist, only that you can trace the peoples way of thinking with other cultures way of thinking, which is not too surprising.

You have to get ideas from somewhere.

[BacktoBasics]

this thread delivers...i haven't seen b2b owned so hard since he walked in on his ex mid-coitus...

and where is miamiheat? we are all still waiting for him to 'shatter' our world with his reality...

Yes I who argued that mathematics proved the authenticity of the calendar and he who argued its reality despite the viable proof obviously renders me owned.

Stupid fat . You're probably the dumbest most illogical one here.

[BacktoBasics]

You have to get ideas from somewhere.

I told you where the idea originated. You just explained in your own words how it morphed into modern day.

Thanks for proving my point.

You guys always want the smoking gun. You want the proof...the orgin. I provided it in a mathematically provable calendar that depicts every relevant date for Jesus right down to a perfect calculation and its relation to every diety before him.

There is nothing left to show you. I provided the murder weapon and the motive along with the body.

[DPG21920]

I told you where the idea originated. You just explained in your own words how it morphed into modern day.

Thanks for proving my point.

You guys always want the smoking gun. You want the proof...the orgin. I provided it in a mathematically provable calendar that depicts every relevant date for Jesus right down to a perfect calculation and its relation to every diety before him.

There is nothing left to show you. I provided the murder weapon and the motive along with the body.

No you did not, if it was that easy, it would be more credible. But you are applying way to narrow of an explanation to way to broad of a topic. The point was not trying to change your mind (although I would like to),it was to acknowledge that I understood what you were trying to say.

[Kori Ellis]

What's funny is when people try to present FACTS to the Christians on why there is no God. Well, the whole basis of Christianity is FAITH and BELIEVING, not facts. So don't get your atheist panties in a bunch when Christians don't want to "debate" you on the facts.

[Kriz-Maxima]

What's funny is when people try to present FACTS to the Christians on why there is no God. Well, the whole basis of Christianity is FAITH and BELIEVING, not facts. So don't get your atheist panties in a bunch when Christians don't want to "debate" you on the facts.

+1

Faith backed with proof is not faith. It kind of beats the purpose.

[BacktoBasics]

No you did not, if it was that easy, it would be more credible. But you are applying way to narrow of an explanation to way to broad of a topic. The point was not trying to change your mind (although I would like to),it was to acknowledge that I understood what you were trying to say.

Its plenty credible just not to faith based God Warriors and as of right now over 50% of the world doesn't believe. Which is a much greater number than before. People are slowly wising up.

What's funny is when people try to present FACTS to the Christians on why there is no God. Well, the whole basis of Christianity is FAITH and BELIEVING, not facts. So don't get your atheist panties in a bunch when Christians don't want to "debate" you on the facts.

I know. I hear you. I didn't want to get into this in the first place because no matter what is logically proved the end result is always the same regardless of the actual facts.

The sky is blue...

No its not its blueish white with a touch of green. You must be a liar.

[Kori Ellis]

And don't tell me you guys weren't praying to God for the Spurs to score on the last possession on Christmas Day.

[J.T.]

And don't tell me you guys weren't praying to God for the Spurs to score on the last possession on Christmas Day.

I prayed to god for UT to beat Texas Tech in college football this year, so I'm left with two possible conclusions:

1. God doesn't exist
2. God is a bas who likes to with people's emotions

Going with #2 for now. He can make it up to me by giving me a Colts Super Bowl.

[The Reckoning]

as i said before, athiests are so out of spite. anyway, aren't there like a hundred other threads like this?

[Borosai]

These are always tons of fun.

Is there a god? Who cares. People who want to believe -- and more importantly need to believe -- will do so regardless of what anyone says. And the same applies to those who don't believe. It's a useless question that leads to empty responses because, in the end, nobody knows.

My personal, empty response: I truly don't care. If there is a god, he/she/it is the epitome of a deadbeat parent. Do you pray? Great! At least it means you're still breathing. As far as its usefulness... well, Santa might someday bring you gifts too. In the end, people will always see what they want to see, whether it makes sense or not: a.k.a. faith, a.k.a. optimistic ignorance... you decide.

[The Reckoning]

meh well to me prayer is another form of meditation...talking to the God within yourself. in my opinion, prayer isnt asking some dude in the sky to make everything perfect -- its about getting in touch with one's own divinity, so one will be better suited to take on seemingly impossible challenges.

[DPG21920]

Thank you Kori. You cannot have these discussions and say you do not want to take faith into account and completely dismiss it as worthless. Some elements of faith are deeply rooted in some of the most widely excepted philosophies.

[DPG21920]

meh well to me prayer is another form of meditation...talking to the God within yourself. in my opinion, prayer isnt asking some dude in the sky to make everything perfect -- its about getting in touch with one's own divinity, so one will be better suited to take on seemingly impossible challenges.

Good outlook. This echoes what I said earlier. God and religion is just a guide. It is up to individuals to lead good lives and make good decisions. Neither God nor man is twisting your arm. I believe in God and the philosophies. Even IF it could be proven there is no God, I still think the principles hold true.

[BULLSHIT]

It would be a start.
If you have the patience you could sit through the first part of the Zeitgeist. About 60-70% of part one gives a relatively accurate depection of the relation.If you can watch it and pay close attention to whats founded based on fact vs. opinion .

You actually mock others for believing a book written over a thousand years ago, and yet you want them to believe in a video made in 2006?

[BacktoBasics]

You actually mock others for believing a book written over a thousand years ago, and yet you want them to believe in a video made in 2006?

The oldest known bible dates back to the 3rd or 4th century. Not thousands of years.

As a matter of fact we shouldn't buy into anything created in modern time. I'm going to look for my thousand year old copy of "The Earth is Flat" because its old.

I'm not even sure what your point is.

[The Power Hour.]

Look face I don't care to participate in a faith debate. Get it?.
you ing moron.

These type of responses keep intelligent posters like myself from chiming in.

[clambake]

religious faith isn't based on what you think.

it's based on what you've been told to think.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

There is only one god, my god and his name is Corso.

[spursfan09]

I have faith that God exists. If you don't then that is your choice. And believe me I have had some negative things happen in my life that would make it easier to not believe. Instead it helps me to believe God wanted it to be that way and with the power ofr prayer I don't go crazy from some of my experiences.