Lebron is the best

[DazedAndConfused]

The most dominant player ever was Wilt. Easily the most unstoppable force the NBA had ever seen.

He had athleticism that would make LBJ look like Jason Kapono. I suggest you youngins read up on your history before you start with the

"LEBRONZ IS DA BESTEST EVA!" threads.

[hitmanyr2k]

Funny...Kobe before Gasol, played just as much minutes as Lebron, had to run the offensive becuz of re s like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown, but still got 1st Team All Defense.

QUESTION: Why did Lebron suddenly became a defensive player???

ANSWER: Cuz he spent the summer learning from Kobe Bryant

Kobe's first team ALL-D selections for the mostpart have been sick jokes. Last year he actually earned it because he had some commitment to defense for a change. In '06 and '07 there was no way in he should have been on first team All-defense or 2nd team for that matter lol. I remember one of those years when it was announced even die hard Laker/Kobe fans were howling that it was bull Even the biggest Kobe worshipper on the planet Doug Collins said Kobe got selected based on reputation. And this year his defense has been pretty much like '06 and '07. He's coasting and not even putting in half the effort he did last year.

[TheMACHINE]

Kobe's first team ALL-D selections for the mostpart have been sick jokes. Last year he actually earned it because he had some commitment to defense for a change. In '06 and '07 there was no way in he should have been on first team All-defense or 2nd team for that matter lol. I remember one of those years when it was announced even die hard Laker/Kobe fans were howling that it was bull Even the biggest Kobe worshipper on the planet Doug Collins said Kobe got selected based on reputation. And this year his defense has been pretty much like '06 and '07. He's coasting and not even putting in half the effort he did last year.

ok...so was there a better defending shooting guard?

[hitmanyr2k]

ok...so was there a better defending shooting guard?

It doesn't matter if there was or not. You're the one trying to hype Kobe's ALL-D selections like they mean anything Laker fans who watch the guy all season long know he wasn't deserving of the honor during those years. He just got it by default. The best defenders in the league (Bowen, Battier, Artest, etc) just happen to play Lebron's position.

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewt...fense&start=25

These guys are even bigger Kobe groupies than you and at least called it as they (and many others) saw it.

Last year was the first time in ages that I saw Kobe put any consistent effort into defense so I had no trouble with him making the All-Defense team. However, years '06 and '07 were sick jokes.

[JoeTait75]

Funny...Kobe before Gasol, played just as much minutes as Lebron, had to run the offensive becuz of re s like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown, but still got 1st Team All Defense.

QUESTION: Why did Lebron suddenly became a defensive player???

ANSWER: Cuz he spent the summer learning from Kobe Bryant

If you want to credit Kobe for LeBron's defensive transformation, go right ahead. No question LeBron learned a lot from Kobe, from Coach K, and from the other great players he played with on Team USA. No shame in that. But don't underestimate the impact of Mike Brown, Hank Egan, and the defensive mindset they've brought, and which LeBron is buying into. And LeBron has always had the ability to play great defense. The consistency and the desire to bring it night-in and night-out took a little longer.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you actually saying kobe is a chocker ala dirk?

No, I'm saying that he's not a great closer like you'd all like to make people believe that he is. I don't know what a chocker is, but I presume it's part chucker, part choker. That might describe Kobe pretty well. When his shots are falling, he's pretty damn good, but somehow he manages not to be able to score when there's a big game going on.

[SmellyFeet]

No, I'm saying that he's not a great closer like you'd all like to make people believe that he is. I don't know what a chocker is, but I presume it's part chucker, part choker. That might describe Kobe pretty well. When his shots are falling, he's pretty damn good, but somehow he manages not to be able to score when there's a big game going on.

So the olympic finals was not a great game? Team U.S was standing on the verge of becoming the greatest joke in basketball world, every single person in the team was ting his pants and not daring to take a shot, and you call kobe a chocker?

[DazedAndConfused]

Spurs fans hate Kobe simply because he has crushed their championship hopes. There is no other reason, don't believe their BS. They're a relatively rational fanbase towards every team EXCEPT the Lakers because the Lakers have crushed them so many times in the playoffs.

Understand this, and then you can understand why their fans call Kobe a chucker and a choker.

[1Parker1]

It's very rare the a young player of his stature with so much hype not only comes into the league and lives up the hype and even exceeds everyone's expectations, but he also handles it very professionally on the court. He could easily have been y ala Kobe in his early years or a bad sportsman like Garnett, but he handles winning and losing pretty graciously and I have to admit, I see him treat his teammates with a lot of respect.

[1Parker1]

Spurs fans hate Kobe simply because he has crushed their championship hopes. There is no other reason, don't believe their BS. They're a relatively rational fanbase towards every team EXCEPT the Lakers because the Lakers have crushed them so many times in the playoffs.

Understand this, and then you can understand why their fans call Kobe a chucker and a choker.

How exactly has Kobe CRUSHED the Spurs championship hopes? More than half the season is still left and the playoffs are a long time away. Just because the Lakers and Kobe happened to beat the Spurs last postseason, doesn't mean the Spurs can't win the championship this season because of them. Flawed logic.

[td4mvp21]

How exactly has Kobe CRUSHED the Spurs championship hopes? More than half the season is still left and the playoffs are a long time away. Just because the Lakers and Kobe happened to beat the Spurs last postseason, doesn't mean the Spurs can't win the championship this season because of them. Flawed logic.

I think he meant in the past.

[Obstructed_View]

Kobe's had good games against the Spurs, but he's way down on the list of causes of dashed hopes of riverwalk parades. I'd put Phil, Shaq, Fisher, George, and Malone above him on my all-bitterness playoff team.

It has nothing to do with that, it has more to do with the fact that the ESPN driven celebrity sports media are dying for another Michael Jordan, and they've been trying to find someone to force into that mold for a long time. Kobe's similar in some ways, and so superstar worshipping LA and their giant Laker fanbase resort to hyperbole to build him up. Jordan never failed to take a shot in the second half of an elimination game, and he certainly never lost by 40 in the last game of the finals. All kudos to Kobe for being able to score on Ime Udoka, really. I mean he should get another trophy just for that, and god forbid anyone mention Manu's ankle, because that had nothing to do with the team's success.

None of that changes the fact that Lebron James is actually better at everything Laker fans want to give Kobe credit for being great at. It's funny how we have to resort to an olympic game that was never really in doubt or a quote from the usually classy and respectful Lebron James to cite as evidence of Kobe's greatness. Now we get to listen to Lakerfan pointing to Barkley calling Kobe "The Closer" as though they don't realize that TNT certainly put their NBA crew up to assigning that le to someone in order to promote their show. At least they didn't call Kobe "Without a Trace".

[SmellyFeet]

Kobe's had good games against the Spurs, but he's way down on the list of causes of dashed hopes of riverwalk parades. I'd put Phil, Shaq, Fisher, George, and Malone above him on my all-bitterness playoff team.

It has nothing to do with that, it has more to do with the fact that the ESPN driven celebrity sports media are dying for another Michael Jordan, and they've been trying to find someone to force into that mold for a long time. Kobe's similar in some ways, and so superstar worshipping LA and their giant Laker fanbase resort to hyperbole to build him up. Jordan never failed to take a shot in the second half of an elimination game, and he certainly never lost by 40 in the last game of the finals. All kudos to Kobe for being able to score on Ime Udoka, really. I mean he should get another trophy just for that, and god forbid anyone mention Manu's ankle, because that had nothing to do with the team's success.

None of that changes the fact that Lebron James is actually better at everything Laker fans want to give Kobe credit for being great at. It's funny how we have to resort to an olympic game that was never really in doubt or a quote from the usually classy and respectful Lebron James to cite as evidence of Kobe's greatness. Now we get to listen to Lakerfan pointing to Barkley calling Kobe "The Closer" as though they don't realize that TNT certainly put their NBA crew up to assigning that le to someone in order to promote their show. At least they didn't call Kobe "Without a Trace".

You still mad 4-1 babeh?

[DazedAndConfused]

I did mean in the past, and be honest with yourselves. There can't be any logical reason why you hate the Lakers and Kobe with so much passion other than the fact that they have been responsible for dashing any repeat hopes the Spurs have had in the last few years.

you rooted FOR the Celtics over the Lakers last season. That's how deep your hatred is.

[DazedAndConfused]

Kobe's had good games against the Spurs, but he's way down on the list of causes of dashed hopes of riverwalk parades. I'd put Phil, Shaq, Fisher, George, and Malone above him on my all-bitterness playoff team.

It has nothing to do with that, it has more to do with the fact that the ESPN driven celebrity sports media are dying for another Michael Jordan, and they've been trying to find someone to force into that mold for a long time. Kobe's similar in some ways, and so superstar worshipping LA and their giant Laker fanbase resort to hyperbole to build him up. Jordan never failed to take a shot in the second half of an elimination game, and he certainly never lost by 40 in the last game of the finals. All kudos to Kobe for being able to score on Ime Udoka, really. I mean he should get another trophy just for that, and god forbid anyone mention Manu's ankle, because that had nothing to do with the team's success.

None of that changes the fact that Lebron James is actually better at everything Laker fans want to give Kobe credit for being great at. It's funny how we have to resort to an olympic game that was never really in doubt or a quote from the usually classy and respectful Lebron James to cite as evidence of Kobe's greatness. Now we get to listen to Lakerfan pointing to Barkley calling Kobe "The Closer" as though they don't realize that TNT certainly put their NBA crew up to assigning that le to someone in order to promote their show. At least they didn't call Kobe "Without a Trace".

Laker fans don't care about Lebron. They really don't. All they care about is rings.

The only one who cares about Lebron is Spurs fans because they can't stand Kobe and want to see someone surpass him.

It's laughable how transparent your blind hatred is Spurs fans. You're making it too easy for me.

[DazedAndConfused]

You still mad 4-1 babeh?

. Look at how hard he tries to rationalize his ridiculous hatred.

It's simple. You hate Kobe because he and the rest of the Lakers past and present are responsible for beating the Spurs 4 times this decade in the playoffs.

[DAF86]

The most dominant player ever was Wilt. Easily the most unstoppable force the NBA had ever seen.

He had athleticism that would make LBJ look like Jason Kapono. I suggest you youngins read up on your history before you start with the

"LEBRONZ IS DA BESTEST EVA!" threads.

And I suggest you to go back and read my first post on this thread so you don't make an ass out of yourself.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Greater impact than prime Shaq? I don't think so.

The NBA had to change their rules to STOP Shaq.

No kidding, the NBA allowed players to double Shaq when he didn't have the ball, what normally would have been illegal defense. They had to though because Shaq would have been able to score at will if only 1 player was allowed to deny him post position.

[Obstructed_View]

You still mad 4-1 babeh?

Sure, I'm really angry and bitter. Ya got me, just like the Spurs fan in the other thread finally proved I'm a Laker fan. If I'm mad, it's because Manu wasn't 100 percent, not because Kobe is such a differnece maker at both ends. Sasha was the stud defender in that series, so if that doesn't tell you something then you're suffering a massive case of denial.

Doesn't change the fact that Lebron is actually as good as you guys have been saying Kobe is. The only reason you guys fight it so hard is because you know it's true, and it scares the out of you because the Lakers aren't going to win with Kobe leading the way and if he isn't at least the best player in the world, you guys have no reason to get up in the morning.

[Obstructed_View]

I did mean in the past, and be honest with yourselves. There can't be any logical reason why you hate the Lakers and Kobe with so much passion other than the fact that they have been responsible for dashing any repeat hopes the Spurs have had in the last few years.

you rooted FOR the Celtics over the Lakers last season. That's how deep your hatred is.

I didn't root for anyone, I just hoped whoever lost would do so in humiliating fashion. Fortunately, THE CLOSER was just in time.

[DAF86]

I did mean in the past, and be honest with yourselves. There can't be any logical reason why you hate the Lakers and Kobe with so much passion other than the fact that they have been responsible for dashing any repeat hopes the Spurs have had in the last few years.
you rooted FOR the Celtics over the Lakers last season. That's how deep your hatred is.

So the fact that i started a thread saying that Lebron is the best player in the world right now means that Spurs fans hate Kobe?, take your head out of your ass and realize that Raptors, Mavs, Suns, Rockets, Pistons, and even some Lakers fans are agreeing with this steatment. What do they all hate Kobe too?

P.S: I'd much rahter see Kobe than Lebron play, Bryant has a much beatiful game IMO, but that doesn't change the fact that Lebron has a much bigger impact in games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I did mean in the past, and be honest with yourselves. There can't be any logical reason why you hate the Lakers and Kobe with so much passion other than the fact that they have been responsible for dashing any repeat hopes the Spurs have had in the last few years.

Other than 2008 no Laker team led by Kobe has beaten the Spurs in the playoffs.

And the biggest reason so many fans of other teams hate Kobe IMO is because of how much Laker fans talk about Kobe and get extremely defensive when another player is mentioned in the same sentence as Kobe.

Saying LeBron is better than Kobe isn't this horrendously ridiculous statement some of the Laker faithful act like it is.

[baseline bum]

So the fact that i started a thread saying that Lebron is the best player in the world right now means that Spurs fans hate Kobe?, take your head out of your ass and realize that Raptors, Mavs, Suns, Rockets, Pistons, and even some Lakers fans are agreeing with this steatment. What do they all hate Kobe too?

P.S: I'd much rahter see Kobe than Lebron play, Bryant has a much beatiful game IMO, but that doesn't change the fact that Lebron has a much bigger impact in games.

ing Laker fans are such insecure es. You say one good thing about another player and all they do is come and whine about how great their guy is.

[sook]

lol this is funny.

Lebron is not better than Kobe. Just because Lebron has the ball in his hands all the time and scores more doesn't mean he's better. Kobe lets the game come to him, and his overall approach is more decisive.

[peskypesky]

Greater impact than prime Shaq? I don't think so.

The NBA had to change their rules to STOP Shaq.

Typically a player's athleticism reaches it's peak between the years of 24-26. As I said earlier if you think Lebron's body will hold up when he's 30 to the beating he takes every night then be my guest. I don't see that happening.

I see a player who in the next 3-5 years will be an unstoppable force. Someone who SHOULD win at least one championship and likely multiple MVP's.

As a Spurs fan, I'm PAINFULLY aware of how unstoppable a force Shaq was in his prime.