I hate to say it but...

[ClingingMars]

Yes I know the Spurs are old and done. Every year is the same story yet they are always there in the end. Just ask New Orleans and Phoenix.

please listen to the Suns fans. sometimes I think they're better experts on the Spurs then us fans.

-Mars

[ClingingMars]

I hate to say it but the truth tells us everything even if no one says it. The spurs are not as good as they were, now even the rockets and hornets are considered better than them. Their four rings have become history and now the only way in front them is just to rebuild their stained team. It's better to rebuild a team before it totally collapse than after acquiring the worst stats of the league.

when will Rogue stop with his idiocy?

-Mars

[de Soto]

..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..

..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly compe ive and SHOULD have won..

..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

Injuries...should have won...officials...

If the Spurs were the ONLY team affected by these ills, your argument would merit some consideration. But they aren't.

..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..

I mostly agree there, I guess.

[EricB]

let's look at our games vs. .500 teams..I hope people actually read this post.

vs. Phoenix..lost by 1 possession where Timmy missed a 3(we should have took a timeout, but whatever)..we were missing Manu..compe ive? clearly..

vs. Portland..lost by Finley missing a wide open 15-footer at the buzzer..we were missing Manu..compe ive? clearly..

vs. Dallas..blowout..we were missing Manu, but we just got blown out here..compe ive? no..

vs. Miami..blowout..we were missing Ginobili and that's when TP got injured in the 1st quarter..compe ive? no..

vs. Houston..win without Parker and Ginobili..impressive as ..compe ive? clearly, we won..

vs. Denver..lost handily..no Parker and Ginobili..compe ive? no..

vs. Utah..blowout win without Parker and Ginobili..compe ive? yes..

vs. Houston..blowout loss..Parker and Ginobili in only their 2nd game back..compe ive? no..

vs. Detroit..loss..we had control for 3 quarters, but lost it in the 4th..Manu and Parker's 3rd game back..compe ive? yes..

vs. Denver..blowout win..

vs. Dallas..OT win..

vs. Atlanta..win..

vs. New Orleans..loss..we had control for 3 and a half quarters, despite our shooters missing wide open shots all night..Hornets take lead when David West makes 2 3's to take the lead..compe ive..

vs. Orlando..blowout loss on a back to back where the team got in at 3AM after a tough game in New Orleans..

vs. Phoenix..buzzer beater win..

vs. Miami win..

vs. Orlando..loss by 1 possession where Tony Parker missed 2 chip shots he usually makes..Magic shoot 70% from 3's, and get tremendous help from the officiating..clearly compe ive..

so looking at these 17 games..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..that would put us at 7-5..not great, but not bad..then consider the losses outside of those..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly compe ive and SHOULD have won..a virtually impossible game to win vs. Orlando..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

when you consider the cir stances, it really doesn't sound that bad..most real Spurs fans know this though..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..

Great points, this is a team that has only played together semi whole for about 2 weeks TOPS.

I think Ginobili is not all the way back yet hes still at 80% maybe.


The time to judge this team as always is in middle or end of march.

Even then its not a great indicator, IE, 2007.

[EricB]

We should ban you. Because you don't agree with him ban him?
Go and cry.

Uhm, so your ok with the N word being dropped in this thread?

Doesn't speak alot to your standing my friend.

[EricB]

If you eliminate the losses without Parker and Ginobili you have to eliminate the wins without them also. You cannot pick and choose which variables to drop to make it look the way you want it to look. Also if you consider dropping the close loses as games that they could have won then you also have to consider the close wins as games they could have lost.

Overall the spurs do not look like an elite championship caliber team so far. they have struggled against almost everyone and they have not done well overall against the better teams.


The front court is just too weak.

Can the spurs compete (in a sense of giving a hard fought effort) with the better teams Yes. Can they win a le with this team No.

The spurs overall record is inflated because of their weak schedule so far.
It will start to come back down to reality when the schedule gets tougher and as the season moves on then everyone will get a better read of how good they are.

Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

[EricB]

Injuries...should have won...officials...

If the Spurs were the ONLY team affected by these ills, your argument would merit some consideration. But they aren't.




I mostly agree there, I guess.

Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

[Cry Havoc]

Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

Bobcats.

[rascal]

Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

2007 is a long time ago in terms of the nba. Teams have changed since then and what worked then may not work now.

Do not look to the past as an indicator of future success. You will be disappointed if you really think the spurs are going to win this year with their current roster as it is.

The spurs caught breaks in the playoffs in 2007. They were not the best team going into the playoffs that year but were closer to being near the top in 2007 then they are now.

[rascal]

Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

Duncan is the top player.

[HarlemHeat37]

that's irrelevant..

are you actually telling me that Orlando, Cleveland, LA and Boston would have the same records they do now if you took off Turkoglu, Nelson, Williams, Z, Gasol, Bynum, Allen, and Pierce? can you actually tell me that? Boston has been slumping WITH their guys, imagine without them for 15+ games..

[rascal]

Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

Didn't you say the Spurs would beat the Lakers in 2008?

[rascal]

Uhm, so your ok with the N word being dropped in this thread?

Doesn't speak alot to your standing my friend.

Doesn't necessary mean someone is a racist. You don't know him neither do I.

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

[WayOutWest]

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

After the comment he made how can you drop the racist card? His comment had NOTHING to do with basketball, all he did was drop the "N" word.

Don't know how you can defend that idiotic comment.

[Cry Havoc]

Doesn't necessary mean someone is a racist. You don't know him neither do I.

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...3&postcount=55

Keep talking, rascal.

[de Soto]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...3&postcount=55

Keep talking, rascal.

"Just graduated"...hmmm...you didn't seem to LEARN anything, though.