Barry is worthless

[timvp]

Barry turned down a crapload of money to come play here.

Barry turned down $2M more over the life of the contract from Golden State and Portland. He'll probably make that up in the savings of state income tax.

Hardly a "crapload".

[American Grace]

Is that what you expected from Barry?

I expected Barry to perform much better as a shooter. But he isn't shooting as badly as a lot of players shot in their first year with this team.

Though I think many posters would agree with benching Barry at this point, but again we're dealing with expectations here and none of these guys were making the dosh Brent is now.

What was Kerr making? He went from shooting game winning 3 pointers alongside Michael Jordan in the finals to being unable to get off the bench with the Spurs. Was Kerr choking due to the pressure also? His first year with the Spurs was the worst of his career.

Again the choices were very limited that year; there is no need for a welfare plan like we used with Hedo.

I'm not saying Barry should be starting ahead of Manu.

It's faily obvious that the past few games have been an audition for first swingman off the bench for the rest of the season and playoffs -- Brent or Devin. Who do you think is winning?

Devin Brown. Devin Brown isn't a shooter though, he's a scorer and a defender. When we need shooting to stretch the defense I don't think Devin will be able to deliver as well as Barry.

[ChumpDumper]

I expected Barry to perform much better as a shooter.

Bingo.

But he isn't shooting as badly as a lot of players shot in their first year with this team.

So what?[QUOTE]What was Kerr making?

About half if I remember. Was Kerr choking due to the pressure also?

Couldn't play the D til the second go round. So he sat. What's your point?

I'm not saying Barry should be starting ahead of Manu.

What are you saying then?

Devin Brown. Devin Brown isn't a shooter though, he's a scorer and a defender. When we need shooting to stretch the defense I don't think Devin will be able to deliver as well as Barry.

Based on what? Reputation? January's percentage?

[American Grace]

What's your point?

That Barry isn't shooting as badly as some of our other shooters have shot, like Stephen Jackson, Steve Kerr and Devin Brown for example. That is the criticism being aimed at him in most of these threads.

What's your point? Because I don't really understand what you are arguing with me about. I also don't understand why you are rude. You seem nicer at Spurs Report.

Based on what? Reputation? January's percentage?

What are you saying? That Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry? That's not true, not even for this month.

[T Park]

Why do we rip him up??

Because he was brought here for the sole reason to SHOOT GOOD.


When you dont live up to that, you deserve a ripping.

THAT SIMPLE.

[ChumpDumper]

What are you saying? That Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry? That's not true, not even for this month.

How about this season? Is it true for that?

Because I don't really understand what you are arguing with me about.

Your argument seems to be that other players' past bad play excuses Barry's. I say it doesn't.

[SequSpur]

Jaren Jackson + 2 Colt 45 Pounders + bag of weed > Barry

[ChumpDumper]

I also don't understand why you are rude.

When in Rome....

Different vibe here, wait til whottt starts up.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tpark, quit being such a dork on this thread.

I told you - Barry is at his best in two places:

1. transition
2. pick and roll basketball

We don't see much of #1 with the reserves in on this squad, and I can count the number of times since Christmas that Barry has ever gotten to run a pick and roll on one hand.

, we run screens to get Bowen of all people jumpers, but somehow Barry is the plague because the only thing we ever ask him to do is something that he hasn't done in his entire NBA career.

Pretty ing stupid. I'm not trying to put all the blame on Pop, but never running a pick and roll for Barry and expecting him to be automatic from outside would be akin to asking Tim Duncan to work from 25 feet out on every play.

Barry is not a spot up shooter, never has been. It's always been transition basketball and a motion/screen and roll type offense he has excelled in.

If Pop only planned on using this guy to spot up, then you need to admit he ed up in even bringing Brent to SA.

[ShoogarBear]

Steve Smith wasn't a spot up shooter, either.

Didn't spare him from getting dumped on mercilessly.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Go figure. I always thought we completely misused Smitty. And concur completely on both accounts with you.

[American Grace]

How about this season? Is it true for that?

Brent Barry three point percentage by month:
November - 338%
December - 211%
January - 509%
February - 370%
March - 167%

Devin Brown three point percentage by month:
November - 333%
December - 412%
January - 429%
February - 300%
March - 154%


I wasn't saying Barry was a better 3 shooter because of one month(January), you are saying Devin is better because of one month(December). Barry has also been taking many more three shots than Devin.

Your argument seems to be that other players' past bad play excuses Barry's. I say it doesn't.

My argument is that criticism of Barry's shooting compared to other players, like Stephen Jackson and Steve Kerr, is exaggerated as well as inaccurate. Steve Kerr couldn't shoot the first year he was with the team. Steve Kerr is considered by many to be the greatest 3 point shooter in history and he shot worse than Barry is shooting now.

I think Devin is playing better right now, but he's not a better shooter.

[ChumpDumper]

AHF, if Barry's role in the offense has been the same all year, why did he do so well in January and is doing so badly now?

[ChumpDumper]

you are saying Devin is better because of one month(December).

Since when does the entire season consist of December only?

Steve Kerr couldn't shoot the first year he was with the team.

And he didn't play....

[American Grace]

Maybe he's not used to playing D so hard and it took his legs. I think that's what happened to Kerr. Coming to the Spurs doesn't seem to have the same impact on defensive players like Bruce Bowen and Mario Elie that it has on shooters like Kerr and Barry. I don't think there should be a compe ion between Barry and Devin Brown. If you need a defender/scorer/rebounder/ play Devin, if you need a shooter/ball handler play Barry.

[American Grace]

Since when does the entire season consist of December only?

Ask the people saying Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry.

And he didn't play....

I thought you said earlier that Kerr picked up the D so why can't Barry? It took Kerr a while also. It took Jackson and Brown a year.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, there's going to be a rotation, that's just the way it goes. I don't know if the legs argument carries much weight -- he's only playing about 20mpg. I would have an extra complaint about his conditioning if that was the case.

[ChumpDumper]

Ask the people saying Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry.

For the season, it's pretty much a wash.

I thought you said earlier that Kerr picked up the D so why can't Barry? It took Kerr a while also. It took Jackson and Brown a year.

By that reasoning, we should IR Barry. Expectations.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Chump - probably because he knew his role, and the team as a collective unit was rolling.

Now we've got Pop going into "defense or die" playoff preparation mode, he's ing with his rotations, guys get DNP-CD one night, 25 minutes the next, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

My, that was unexpected.

[American Grace]

For the season, it's pretty much a wash.

For the season Barry is shooting at a better percentage while taking more shots for every month but one. As badly as Barry has been shooting threes this month, Devin has been shooting them worse.

By that reasoning, we should IR Barry.

We didn't IR Kerr, Stephen Jackon or Devin Brown. If you put Barry on the IR that means you live and die with a rookie and Devin Brown. I think it would be smart to keep a guy on the active roster who is a career 400% shooter and who is considered to be struggling when he is shooting 348%.

[ChumpDumper]

We didn't IR Kerr, Stephen Jackon or Devin Brown.

You might want to check yourself on that.

For the season Barry is shooting at a better percentage while taking more shots for every month but one.

lol, nice twist to the definition of "entire season."

[American Grace]

You might want to check yourself on that.lol,

Jackson might not have made the playoff roster once. If Kerr was on IR it was due to injury and Brown never got IR'ed last season.

nice twist to the definition of "entire season."

You are ignoring Barry's entire career shooting percentage, I am ignoring one month. I don't think I am the one basing my opinion on a fluke.

Barry has shot better every month but 1, so how am I twisting anything?

You will never convince me that Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this point. I don't think many people outside of this forum will agree with you.

[American Grace]

Well, there's going to be a rotation, that's just the way it goes. I don't know if the legs argument carries much weight -- he's only playing about 20mpg. I would have an extra complaint about his conditioning if that was the case.

So what do you think is causing it then?

[ChumpDumper]

Brown never got IR'ed last season.

I didn't realize last season was his first.

You are ignoring Barry's entire career shooting percentage

That wasn't the question, was it?

You will never convince me that Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this point.

Over their respective careers, Barry is a better shooter. Now, we're dealing with this season, and shooting percentages will not be the sole determinant of who comes of the bench first. You've already conceded that Devin is playing better now, so we don't even have to argue about that.