Which statement about gay rights do you agree with more.

[purist]

Gay or straight, American citizens are protected by the cons ution. However, not all acts or behavior are protected or granted "right" status.

If you're a man who likes men; or woman who like women, so be it. I may not agree with it, but that's your deal; your business. It's when you equate sexual preference to a "protected class" of people that you find the rub. And, the more you push, the more the social and political chasm grows between straight and gay.

[peewee's lovechild]

seems to me there are plenty out there that cant make up their minds.

Anne Heche comes to mind.....

lemme know if you want more examples

Come up with some more.

Then, we can compare with the millions of people who have "made up their minds" as you so eloquently put it.

[Blake]

So... you didn't have any conscious control over your sexuality, but the millions of gay/lesbian/bisexual people in this world did?

so none of those millions of gay/les/bi people made conscious decisions over theirs?

[samikeyp]

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how allowing Gay marraige is going to destroy the "ins ution of heterosexual marraige". I keep hearing that from right-wingers and religious folk but none of them have proof.

[CuckingFunt]

science disagree that your the only example needed in regards to bisexuality.

I specifically said that I was the only example of bisexuality that I needed, referring to the fact that I'm fairly familiar with a bisexual lifestyle. I did not mean that I am singularly representative of every single bisexual person.

what is your definition of bisexual? Can someone not go back and forth between straight and gay and not be considered bi?

My definition of bisexual is someone that is physically and sexually attracted to both men and women. However people choose to express that is up to them -- there are probably as many different ways to "be" bisexual as there are bisexual people.

[I. Hustle]

yeah right your gay lmao just kidding man, I give you all the time but I agree with you. I ing Hate women, everytime I put trust into them they do something to it up. I have friends that are gay and they have the same if not more relationship problems so it happens on the other side of the spectrum too. ing es!! I try not to treat women bad after all the times I get screwed over but its getting harder and harder.

between the lines

[peewee's lovechild]

Gay or straight, American citizens are protected by the cons ution. However, not all acts or behavior are protected or granted "right" status.

If you're a man who likes men; or woman who like women, so be it. I may not agree with it, but that's your deal; your business. It's when you equate sexual preference to a "protected class" of people that you find the rub. And, the more you push, the more the social and political chasm grows between straight and gay.

They only need to be "protected" because they are being discriminated. However, that's another conversation.

[Blake]

Come up with some more.

Then, we can compare with the millions of people who have "made up their minds" as you so eloquently put it.

I didn't say there are people that "made up their minds". I said there are plenty of people that can't make up theirs."

nice fail.

If CF wants examples I'll provide them.

[CuckingFunt]

Gay or straight, American citizens are protected by the cons ution. However, not all acts or behavior are protected or granted "right" status.

If you're a man who likes men; or woman who like women, so be it. I may not agree with it, but that's your deal; your business. It's when you equate sexual preference to a "protected class" of people that you find the rub. And, the more you push, the more the social and political chasm grows between straight and gay.

The lifting of oppression is not the same thing as protection.

[peewee's lovechild]

I didn't say there are people that "made up their minds". I said there are plenty of people that can't make up theirs."

nice fail.

If CF wants examples I'll provide them.

What was your point then?

If you had one, that is.

[CuckingFunt]

so none of those millions of gay/les/bi people made conscious decisions over theirs?

I think that everyone makes a conscious decision as to how they choose to express their sexuality. But I don't think that anyone, straight or gay, makes a conscious choice as to whether they're attracted to men and/or women.

[Blake]

I specifically said that I was the only example of bisexuality that I needed, referring to the fact that I'm fairly familiar with a bisexual lifestyle. I did not mean that I am singularly representative of every single bisexual person.

and I said "Great. Too bad science disagrees."

My definition of bisexual is someone that is physically and sexually attracted to both men and women. However people choose to express that is up to them -- there are probably as many different ways to "be" bisexual as there are bisexual people.

My definition of bi is the same as yours, only that the person be attracted to both men and women at the same time.

If someone has a few episodes of lesbianism in college but is now married to a man. I don't see that as being bi. I see that as changing her mind.

[samikeyp]

and I said "Great. Too bad science disagrees."

How so?

[stretch]

lol blake

[mrsmaalox]

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how allowing Gay marraige is going to destroy the "ins ution of heterosexual marraige". I keep hearing that from right-wingers and religious folk but none of them have proof.

The main thing that destroys the ins ution of any kind of marriage is divorce. That's what they should outlaw if they want to protect marriage!

[samikeyp]

The main thing that destroys the ins ution of any kind of marriage is divorce. That's what they should outlaw if they want to protect marriage!

Heterosexuals shouldn't have a exclusive right to marriage. We don't exactly have a stellar record.

[peewee's lovechild]

and I said "Great. Too bad science disagrees."

Science disagrees with what?

Are you saying that science disagrees with the idea that you are born gay?

Because, it would be nice if you would post some of that science that backs up your post.

Are you aware that there has been scientific studies performed that prove that animals have shown sexual tendicies in nature?

So, what's this science you're talking about?

[Blake]

What was your point then?

If you had one, that is.

that there are plenty of people that can't make up their minds.

[mrsmaalox]

Heterosexuals shouldn't have a exclusive right to marriage. We don't exactly have a stellar record.

Really! And yet they continue to focus only on the marriage part and not the quality of the marriage.

[Blake]

How so?

science needs more than personal opinion to determine genetic makeup

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Heterosexuals shouldn't have a exclusive right to marriage. We don't exactly have a stellar record.

Back before the last election, when Prop 8 (the bill to legalize gay marriage out here) was the hot topic, I saw a bumper sticker on a car that read:

"Why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized?
They should be allowed to be as miserable as the rest of us!"

I'd say that's fairly relevant here and now as well.

[BacktoBasics]

science needs more than personal opinion to determine genetic makeup

Can you show me where science has proved that being gay is a preference over genetic makeup?

[CuckingFunt]

and I said "Great. Too bad science disagrees."

And, again, science disagrees with what? I'm not making any great, sweeping generalizations about the entire bisexual population.

You brought up bisexuality to introduce a point that has yet to become clear, and I merely responded that I am bisexual. I get bisexuality. It's not a mystery to me.

My definition of bi is the same as yours, only that the person be attracted to both men and women at the same time.

If someone has a few episodes of lesbianism in college but is now married to a man. I don't see that as being bi. I see that as changing her mind.

And I see it as a matter of labeling and self-expression. If a person had a few "episodes of lesbianism" in college but is now married to a man, they may or may not choose to call themselves bisexual. I, for instance, am very strongly identified. I consider myself to be a part of that community, and I don't see that ever changing. Furthermore, I very strongly identify as specifically bisexual. I don't view my sexuality as a transitory phase that will only be determined when I settle down with my one life partner -- spending the rest of my life with a woman won't make me suddenly lesbian, spending the rest of my life with a man won't make me suddenly straight.

That's not for everyone, though. Some people may feel a need to identify as either straight or gay based on the stigma associated with the bisexual label. Some people may have same sex experiences and discover that they were not based on a genuine attraction. Some people my have opposite sex experiences and discover that they were not based on a genuine attraction. I absolutely think that expression and labeling are fluid and changing and heavily influenced by personal choice and comfort level, but attraction is not -- either you like pussy, or you don't, to put it bluntly.

[Blake]

Science disagrees with what?

Are you saying that science disagrees with the idea that you are born gay?

science disagrees that all it takes is personal opinions to determine genetic makeup

Because, it would be nice if you would post some of that science that backs up your post.

you mean like how science has not yet proven the existence of gay genes?

Are you aware that there has been scientific studies performed that prove that animals have shown sexual tendicies in nature?

are you aware of mothers eating their young?

So, what's this science you're talking about?

the one that has yet to prove the existence of a gay gene

[CuckingFunt]

that there are plenty of people that can't make up their minds.

And, again, bisexuality is not the same thing as confusion.