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^^ your talking to a tree aggie.
So who would you rather coach?...Pop can be a head and he's done it too much with this team.
Oh, and as for Larry Brown, the one decent coach Nazr's had in his pro career:
You're talking about the same Larry Brown that ed up an Olympic team led by Tim and AI because he had a thing against playing the young guy (James).
^^ your talking to a tree aggie.
So who would you rather coach?...Pop can be a head and he's done it too much with this team.
Pop can take on the projects but he can't make them work...that's up to the player. You want to give Pop credit for taking a chance on Malik that's fine...
But don't you give him credit for Malik's determination to succeed...because that is all Malik's.
Me....isn't it obvious?
Look just try not to have a brain fart here...it is possible to be critical of someone and not think they need to be fired...
The Spurs are ing up...and their this season has made it harder to win a le...this does not mean we won't win a le or that they will continue to screw up...but the fact is they've done some stupid this year.
Jeezus Aggie...you have an excuse for everything....look at the scoreboard. Look at the W-L record since the trade. Look at what the Knicks players, coaches and GM are saying. Look at our past trades with the Knicks....look at what happened the last time we thought we were going to get a steal off of them....
Look...the Knicks suck, they a ing lottery team....and we are not going to find keys to our le by picking up their castoffs...we never have yet.
Where the do you get that?
You aren't even giving Nazr time to get coached up by the Spurs staff.
He's been here 9 games, he's not averaging 15 and 10, he's a bust[/dumb whott]
Rose's first year with SA he averaged 3 and 1.7. Second year, 6 and 4. Third year, 6.7 and 4.5. Fourth year 7.7 and 5.5 (in 21.7 minutes).
Nazr's averaging 6.8 and 6 so far in 15 minutes per game for SA, with no training camp or summer workouts to get set in the Spurs system.
Don't you owe it to the guy to at least wait until next year to judge him? I mean he's already doing better in 8 games in the Spurs system than Malik could say he did in any of his first four years in the Spurs system.
Geezus Whott.
Look, Malik Rose was getting dnp-cds on our squad. He wasn't doing jack to contribute to a le when he wasn't getting off the damn bench behind 58 year old Tony Massenberg and 47 year old Robert Horry.
, if Malik was getting any kind of regular minutes and doing anything with them besides beaning fans in the sixth row with the ball, you might have a point. But he wasn't and you don't.
This is the part I don't understand. Malik was a liability to this team because he never could bite his toungue long enough to keep himself out of the doghouse. Yet the Rose jock riders expect us to get down on our knees and worship him for the bench warmer that he was.
Whatever...celebrate kissing HCA goodbye dumb s, ...and don't tell me Malik wouldn't have made a difference in this game, he was here for 8 years, he knew the team better than anyone but Duncan...his being on the bench had more to do with Horry being here than it did a change in his play,..he's averaged nearly a double double in his career as a starter(like 16 9 or something), and that number goes up when Duncan is injured.
And when Duncan went down last season Pop still played him no matter how deep in the doghouse he was....and we went 5-3 or something in those games.
But just keep acting like he was a meaningless scrub...just keep pretending he didn't throw down a 20 20 game with Duncan out last season(something neither Nazr nor Rasho has ever done and Nazr is unlikely to do this season)...pretend he didn't step up the year we won the le against Phoenix and the Mavs....
Whatever gets you off...but I like winning les.
Aggie...I hate to tell you this...but there is more to the game than numbers and if was only about numbers then I would like this trade...
You tell me to judge the success of this trade next year? I could give two s about next year...this year was about this year....
We're not going to have homecourt over Phoenix because Tim Duncan came down on someone's ankle Sunday.celebrate kissing HCA goodbye dumb s,
You could play Malik 48 minutes a game and he wouldn't make up for Tim being out. Quit being such a dumbass on this.
If it was about this year, then why do you keep saying like...You tell me to judge the success of this trade next year? I could give two s about next year...this year was about this year
You are hanging on to one game LAST year to justify your position on Malik's contributions to the team THIS year. Heed your own advice.just keep pretending he didn't throw down a 20 20 game with Duncan out last season
I think Nazr does more for this team this year, and this year in the playoffs, than Malik would if he were still here.
I bring up next year because you are already judging Nazr as a "bust" after 8 games, when he's already doing better than Rose did in four years.
I know it ain't all about stats, for instance it never showed up besides Malik's name all those times where taller big men simply shot over him or snatched rebounds from above his head that we all were treated to the last two years.
And of course it's not going to show up in the stat sheet that whenever the ball got to Malik on offense the flow of the offense stopped so Malik could figure out how he was going to up the possession - jumper outside his range or go one one four and get blocked.
The stats don't tell everything, I'll give you that, and Rose's stats the last year and a half don't tell the story of how much he hurt this squad at both ends of the court.
Point taken.
With Duncan sidelined, you'd have to have no longterm memory to say you wouldn't rather have Rose right now than Mohammed. Rose has always filled in for Duncan with averages of like 15 and 8 over his career.
He probably outgrew his role as a bench player on this team, but as an emergency starter ... he was and still would be a great fit.
Rose owned the Spurs tonight. He sucked in the first half put turned it around after halftime to rip the Spurs. Without Rose's performance, the Spurs would have gotten the much needed win.
This is what happens, Spurs fans, when you think every bigman on your team needs to be Tim Duncan or David Robinson. Granted, Nazr is pretty good and I think a BETTER fit in a bench for the Spurs right now than Rose, but he's going to be hated by Spurs fans too soon enough.
Now that I've seen Nazr play for awhile, here's my scouting report:
PROS
*Great offensive rebounder
*Usually can finish around the basket
*Tall with long arms
*Average to above average defensive rebounder
*Seems like a willing passer
*Wants to win
CONS
*Should never shoot another jumper
*His post moves are below average
*He doesn't intimidate on D like a man his size should
*Below average speed and second jump is non-existent
*Doesn't have great instincts on offense -- causes a lot of bad spacing
Like I said, overall I'm happy with the trade. Nazr can be a really good fit off the bench.
However now with Duncan out, I'd like Rose because he has a proven track record of filling in for Duncan and succeeding in doing so.
Ah. It's "dumb s" now. When all else fails, resort to name calling and personal attacks.
For the record, nobody is saying he was a "meaningless scrub". Nice job of trying to put words our mouths though. Whatever man. For once, I agree with T-Park. I feel like I'm talking to a tree.
You're right. Malik was the man. Happy now?
TIMVP: "Without Rose's performance, the Spurs would have gotten the much needed win."
I think everyone should take a closer at our stats. I know at one time during the game we were 3 for 18 on 3pt shots and had 13 TOs. I don't know what the final box will look like, but you don't win many games with that kind of performance, even against the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Actually I'm not. I'd much rather feel like we can play above average ball for the remainder of Duncan's injury and I don't think we can...which means our le is at stake...
I can tell you right now...barring injury we aint catching the Heat for best record in the NBA...kiss that goodbye. I'd say it's a good bet that the Suns are going to pass us as well...I could live with all that...but it's when the pesky teams like the Mavs and Sonics pass us that I start seeing our season pass before my eyes...
Taking a look at things it's very possible the Mavs could catch us...which most likely puts us on the road for 3 series counting the finals and also puts us in a likely 1st round match up with the Rockets....
I am sorry but we don't win a le if that happens.
This team hasn't been that good on the road...and I think the Spurs have won one playoff series as the road team in their NBA history.
Mother er give me a bigman who will play like a bigman in the paint instead of a Goddam little pussy in a 7 foot frame. Sooner or later some of you dumb ers will realize that height isn't as important as you think it is in the NBA.
you all.
Whott, why don't u relax and drink a beer instead of getting so ing hung up on Spurs related news.. hey.. get a life man.. in this world, there is actually no RIGHT or WRONG in every thing that we do.. but we have to accountable for our actions that's all..
Welcome back.
Reality has been lacking lately.
Sorry, but this is bull . We lost because Marbury went ape and because all the Spurs went cold shooting. Take away Rose and NY gets his points (in probably a more efficient fashion) from Marbury, Crawford, and Tim Thomas.Without Rose's performance, the Spurs would have gotten the much needed win.
AHF, give Malik some credit. He was a huge part of the Knicks runs tonight.
From AP....
He had six free throws, a short bank shot, two layups and a 20-footer in a personal 14-3 run that put New York ahead 64-60 entering the fourth quarter, then knocked down two free throws with 9:04 left as part of the 14-0 run that put New York ahead 78-60.
Rose ended the run with a pair of 18-foot jumpers off passes from Marbury, pumping his fist after each shot.
Rose has preached defense to the Knicks. That is what beat the Spurs.
Wha???
Defense had nothing to do with all the wide open shots that clanked off the rim in the 4th quarter. Defense had nothing to do with uncontested layups that didn't fall. Try again.
FYI Spurs did not have a winning record last year w/o duncan, 4-5 And if I recall a lot of the success when duncan was out last year was more due to the increased production of Rasho.
NEW YORK (AP) - Tim Duncan was missed by the San Antonio Spurs, and Malik Rose made sure his former team missed him, too.
Rose knocked down a pair of 18-foot jumpers to complete a 14-0 run to start the fourth quarter, getting a measure of revenge against the team that traded him last month as the New York Knicks defeated the San Antonio Spurs 88-75 Monday night.
"It was definitely personal for him," teammate Jamal Crawford said.(foxsports)
...I love Malik Rose but he is not a Spur anymore. My cheer for Malik has come to an end. As a Spurs fan my concern is to watch the Spurs win more games(they're in the playoffs, Duncan made sure of that before his injury), watch Nazr improve as a player under coach Pops' supervision, pray TP remains healthy, Rasho, too, pray Barry will find his shots, Manu will recuperate 100% before playoffs, in time for Duncan's return.And I couldn't care less if Malik got his revenge on my favorite team as long as we continue to support our players(even if they suck sometimes
Yeah, that had nothing to do with it. Say that three times and maybe you'll start believing it and feeling better.
Yeah.
Too bad Nazr couldn't tell us what plays the Knicks were going to run...then again they are winning now so he probably isn't familiar with anything they are doing...but hey points and rebounds are all that matters...We damn sure don't need any on the court leadership...
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