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    Why would I let you in on the joke now?

    I guarantee everyone knows who knows that picture is laughing at you.
    Think I give a damn? Should have used a better picture. Bet it's you they're laughing at for using that one. Why should I know who it is? Are you really dumb enough to think everyone should know an individual? Must not be as famous as you think. Makes you the dumb ass in my eyes.

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    Think I give a damn?
    You were the one who demanded to know who he is -- so yes.

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    Back on track....

    Why would it be illogical to accept the fact that a reduction in vehicular weight is a trade-off against safety??... or that most automakers really can't afford to incorporate light-weight alloys into their designs to make up the difference.

    Really what's going to end up happenning in the U.S. is that the Gasoline market will go south in favor of the the Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel market -- much like what happened in Europe.

    Most people don't even realize that some modern Diesel engines can get upwards of 44-50 mpg...

    On a side note,

    Duff's notion that people must be told what to do by the government (all for their own good)... short of sounding "Communistic" really leaves much to be desired... Remember the ethanol solution??? That government sanctioned initiative was far from being the efficient solution that the energy sector required. And we taxpayers are already paying for that mistake...

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    i'm glad obama is concerned with global warming

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

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    Why would it be illogical to accept the fact that a reduction in vehicular weight is a trade-off against safety??.


    The only thing that makes light cars unsafe is that there are heavier cars out there. In a two-car crash, collision severity is inversely proportional to vehicle weight. In other words, if you crash into a vehicle twice as heavy as yours, the crash you experience will be twice as severe as what the occupant of the heavier vehicle experiences.


    Damn that Isaac Newton!

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    The only thing that makes light cars unsafe is that there are heavier cars out there. In a two-car crash, collision severity is inversely proportional to vehicle weight. In other words, if you crash into a vehicle twice as heavy as yours, the crash you experience will be twice as severe as what the occupant of the heavier vehicle experiences.


    Damn that Isaac Newton!
    Crumple zones are a huge factor too. The difference between a 3 ft. crumple zone and a 2 ft. crumple zone can be the difference between life and death. Like the video pointed out near the end, the human body does not handle such rapid deceleration very well.

    Lets see. A serious crash that leaves you with a pair of broken legs costs a but for insurance companies to pay out. What about the 1 ft. less crumple zone that may lead to a loss of one or two legs, or being paralyzed instead? Insurance companies do look at that data! When you have even longer crumple zones yet, the driver and passenger can walk away with no injury that may otherwise cause injuries in smaller cars.

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    One party is in the thrall of old school religious zealots and the other is beholden to old school pagan Earth worshiping zealots. Live your life as you see fit and stop trying to convert me through the state.

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    Crumple zones are a huge factor too. The difference between a 3 ft. crumple zone and a 2 ft. crumple zone can be the difference between life and death. Like the video pointed out near the end, the human body does not handle such rapid deceleration very well.

    Lets see. A serious crash that leaves you with a pair of broken legs costs a but for insurance companies to pay out. What about the 1 ft. less crumple zone that may lead to a loss of one or two legs, or being paralyzed instead? Insurance companies do look at that data! When you have even longer crumple zones yet, the driver and passenger can walk away with no injury that may otherwise cause injuries in smaller cars.


    Quite true. You can make the cabin of the "smart" car completely rigid (and it is), but that means that a lot of the crash energy will be absorbed by the occupant. Also, the airbag system of that vehicle has to determine if the crash is severe enough to warrant deployment REALLY early in the crash sequence. Not a car I'd want to drive.

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    Funniest review of a hybrid?
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle6294116.ece
    Jeremy Clarkson is also one of the co-hosts of the British tV show Top Gear

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    Funniest review of a hybrid?
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle6294116.ece
    Jeremy Clarkson is also one of the co-hosts of the British tV show Top Gear

    that's great. i love this comment

    My wife had an excellent idea for hybrids. Since their main purpose is to show off the "greenness" of the driver, they should be equipped with a green LED halo around the roof which glows intensely to impress others as to just how wonderful the driver is.

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    I think I would rather they tax the out of gas, and put those procedes into a national public transportation system...

    When gas hit that magic $4.00 barrier, people changed their driving habits. Less carbon in the air. People wanting to make more money to pay for higher price of goods and services. The car companies, of their own will, started changing their engineering habbits. I lean pretty left, but I think it was pretty obvious the market did it's job there, and can continue to do so were we to have energy prices as high as that of other countries, at least until methods can be used to tap and store wind,solar,hydro power.

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    When gas hit that magic $4.00 barrier, people changed their driving habits.
    And their mortgage paying habits.

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    I think I would rather they tax the out of gas, and put those procedes into a national public transportation system...

    When gas hit that magic $4.00 barrier, people changed their driving habits. Less carbon in the air. People wanting to make more money to pay for higher price of goods and services. The car companies, of their own will, started changing their engineering habbits. I lean pretty left, but I think it was pretty obvious the market did it's job there, and can continue to do so were we to have energy prices as high as that of other countries, at least until methods can be used to tap and store wind,solar,hydro power.



    I need to create a deprogramming center for the Church of Gore.

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    I think I would rather they tax the out of gas, and put those procedes into a national public transportation system...
    Isn't that a form of redistribution of wealth?

    If public transportation cannot pay for itself, then screw it.

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    If the military can't pay for itself, then screw it.

    If public schooling can't pay for itself, then screw it.

    If the police and fireman can't pay for itself, then screw it.

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    I'll still be driving a truck/jeep/suv until the day I die.

    your clown cars.

    GM has lost my business on new trucks for the next 50 years. LOL UAW.

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    Just more wasteful regulation.

    What if the industry cant get trucks to meet the standard by 2015? What then?

    What happens to constuction in this country? Will everyone who needs a truck for work be able to get a waiver? Will they have to pay for one?

    Stupid, stupid Obama.

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    If the military can't pay for itself, then screw it.
    You're right, we are pissing at least half a tril away every year when it could do the job it's supposed to be doing for far less.

    If public schooling can't pay for itself, then screw it.
    Like our schools are doing so well educating the masses. They've become progressively worse, as the federal government has become progressively more involved. Probably not the best example for you to use.

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    I'll still be driving a truck/jeep/suv until the day I die.

    your clown cars.

    GM has lost my business on new trucks for the next 50 years. LOL UAW.
    I agree. What was even better is that when Obama announced the new standard he talked about how the heads of so many car companies were there and then mentioned the president of the UAW by name.

    He's driving this country directly towards becoming a giant California.

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    So how much is the UAW Payback Act of 2009 going to cost us?

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    Well, GM and Chrysler shouldn't have asked for the government to own them, but the events of the past couple of years spooked free marketeers pretty badly.

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    I saw a Saturn Sky for the first time ever yesterday. That's one bad-ass looking car. Is Saturn part of GM, or a separate company? I don't want no stinkin' GM car.

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    Just remember, it's not "socialism" when the Congress grants the Executive $700 billion to give to banks for their mistakes.

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    I saw a Saturn Sky for the first time ever yesterday. That's one bad-ass looking car. Is Saturn part of GM, or a separate company? I don't want no stinkin' GM car.
    There won't be any Saturn anymore.

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    If the military can't pay for itself, then screw it.
    Ever read the cons ution? It authorizes a military.
    If public schooling can't pay for itself, then screw it.
    Schools should be locally funded. Not by the federal government. They have catered to the national lowest common denominator ever since the Department of Education was formed under President Carter.
    If the police and fireman can't pay for itself, then screw it.
    That's public safety. "Provide for the common defense."

    You know, the cons ution isn't very long. You should read it sometime.

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