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He was 1 point away today from leading the team in scoring...3 games in row...off the bench....with Duncan injured...and today was against probably one of the top 3 defensive teams in the NBA.
That's is called ing stepping up, no two ways about it.
whottt continues to be Barry's biggest nvtrider in bad games and his most avid nvtswinger after good ones.
He was 1 point away today from leading the team in scoring...3 games in row...off the bench....with Duncan injured...and today was against probably one of the top 3 defensive teams in the NBA.
That's is called ing stepping up, no two ways about it.
This true...whottt also continues to be right...
Whottt also hasn't stepped away and left a fellow soldier under intense fire in midbattle during Rose fights...
TimVP continues to be Barry's harshest critic in bad games and his most reluctant to give props after good ones.And this is what keeps balance in the universe.whottt continues to be Barry's biggest nvtrider in bad games and his most avid nvtswinger after good ones.
You left the anti-Malone tank because you got scared of Juwan Howard.
I guess all we have to do is incorporate Barry into the offense, let him get into the flow and get him touches, and then he might play worth a . If you like the way the offense flows when the guard dumps it into Duncan and everyone else just stands around the three point line like they have courtside tickets instead of actually playing basketball, then fine. But I for one like it better when the Spurs move without the basketball, set screens and find open players, attack the basket, push the basketball, and oh yeah, Duncan goes to the hole instead of standing on the wing seeing how many times he can pumpfake the ball with a 24 second shot clock. I'm not saying Barry can only play well with Duncan out, I'm saying he's played better with Duncan out because he's been allowed to play the way that made him a star in Seattle. If Pop lets Barry loose with Duncan on the floor, I think both of them would play better, like earlier in the season.
Brent Barry is a career 10.4 ppg player who's greatest notoriety was winning the slam dunk contest. He has never been, nor will he ever be a "star".I'm saying he's played better with Duncan out because he's been allowed to play the way that made him a star in Seattle.
This is true...but my Malone hatred wasn't as intense to begin with as yours and bbum's etc...You left the anti-Malone tank because you got scared of Juwan Howard.
I hated Howard more than Malone and was forced to choose the lesser of two evils.
Brent Barry is an offensive efficiency machine whose efficiency could certainly qualify him as a star in the eyes of some...like the Seattle Fans.
This the problem Barry has had on this team...he is like a high mantinence performance vehicle that needs careful handling to perform at peak efficiency...
You guys want just want a Chevy. You want to try and win a 4x4 compe ion with a Fiat.
Props to Whottt for ing up his thread with the dumbest series of analogies ever.
It's true...you guys want Barry to be Devin or Jack...these guys are not particularly efficient at anyone thing...but they are powerful all around players nontheless who just play good basketball.
That's not what Barry is and trying to make him that, perform in that role or compare him to those guys s him up.
He's not a defensive player, he's not a scorer, or a chucker...he's a guy that makes smart plays and passes and timely shots on offense...that's what he is...and the Spurs have been trying to use him like Jack or Devin. He keeps your offense running good and smooth and efficient..smart...and if handling the ball he avoids the sloppy crap fest and blown leads...if he gets the ball.
Is that a better analogy for you?
I said star in Seattle. Some people have the ability to see beyond PPG dumbass. He was either the most popular or second most popular player in Seattle the last three years. He's a pass first guard who quietly had one of the best overall offensive games in the NBA the last couple of seasons, but because he doesn't drop 30 a night like AI or Tmac and doesn't have the endorsements and commercials people like you belittle every acomplishment he's had. Yeah, he's not a superstar or allstar, doesn't mean he can't play.
Son of a !
Do I have to go back and read this long-winded thread find who labeled Brent Barry a "star?"
Brent Barry is a very good basketball player who just happens to play for the Spurs.
It's not that complicated.
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That wasn't an analogy :p
I think people want Barry to hit shots. It's really that simple. Personally, I love the flow of the game when he, Beno, and Manu are in because of the incredible passing. I love smart movement.
But the bottom line is that while Barry had a great overall game, the most important thing he did was hit those 3s. The comparisons to Jack come because of Jacks timely shooting. Jack would suck ass for 3 quaters, then either save a game for you, or get you back in it with his clutch shooting.
It's hard to want Barry on the floor when he's not shooting becuase of his weakness on D. But when he hits those shots, it's a no brainer.
We just want him to hit shots. The other things are gravy.
Actually, today after the game LJ and I were talking about Barry taking away minutes from Beno if Devin comes back healthy. I think he does play better when he handles the ball more, but it's hard to rearrange everything just for Barry.
Barry is a guy you should be willing to rearrange it for...
He's the only guy in NBA history to lead the NBA in 2pt PCT and 3pt PCT...if Duncan and Manu are not on the court...this guy is the only player on the team that knows how to run an offense...
And he doesn't need Tim Duncan on the court to do it....
The differnce between Barry and Jack...Jack always wanted to shoot, it took a year on the bench to get him to shoot only when the Spurs wanted him to....Jack was a balla, Barry isn't it..he's more like a point guard.
Barry doesn't want to always shoot...Barry enjoys a keying a great fast break, setting another guy up for a great dunk(like he did on just about every great dunk by Devin Brown this eason) or making a great pass just as much as he does getting to shoot...
PS Manny...those are some good observations about Barry and Beno.
The truth is Beno has been the best spot up shooter on the team this season, he should be the guy that camps out at the 3 and designated to shoot off of Duincan's kickouts...Devin too, they both shoot better on those kickouts from Duncan than Barry does.....the roles of Barry and Beno should be reversed. And Barry should be the one running the offense off the bench.
Last edited by whottt; 03-27-2005 at 06:34 PM.
Brent Barry played awesome in 2001-02. Check out his efficiency numbers, ridiculous.
He basically scored with the efficiency of a Steve Kerr in 96 as a Bull, difference is he took more shots, got tons of assists, and had very few turnovers.
He probably was a Top 10 SG that one season (whatever that means). If you go by pure efficiency he was up there with pretty much any SG, except maybe the all stars, considering they used up more possesions and lead their offenses more.
But Brent Barry is capable of scoring and racking up points without taking a lot of shots. If he can do that, the passing will be even more appreciated.
Props to Barry, I've always been on his side this season, I have questioned him, but I have always considered myself a supporter. Keep it up Brent your kicking ass.
As for Shane Heal... He would have been on the team at the deadline if you didn't waive his ass.
Heal is one of the best players from Australian basketball, second only at the stage to Gaze. If pop had given him time to acclimatise, like he has Hedo, Barry, numerous other players. If pop had kept him for a few more games Heal would have bought it.
Thats my take. The Spurs lost out on a good thing when they didn't keep it around. He was going to catch fire for you eventually just like Barry is now.
Yeah I think 01-02 was the year he had a higher 2pt percentage than Shaquille O'Neal.
Another reason we should be doing everything in power(including going outside in with the bench offense) to get Barry's shot going...if he hits the playoffs hot no one is going to leave him to double Duncan even if he isn't shooting or making a ton...one less guy for Duncan to to worry about.
Word Xcoriate...these guys never saw Heal against Payton in the Olympics...I didn't recognize Heal's name at first but once I was told he was that Aussie from the Olympics I wanted him over Carter all the way.
Don't forget to mention Heal is international Aussie of the Year(or whatever the thing he won is)
We have too many heels in this forum.
Hey, whottt: chip much?
I'm not sure if I do or not.
Migawd, he did it! He got the Malik fight into a thread on Barry. He's so good at staying on message Whottt should be in politicsThis true...whottt also continues to be right...
Whottt also hasn't stepped away and left a fellow soldier under intense fire in midbattle during Rose fights...
LOL. Thanks Whott...I thinkKori, Manny, and even 1Parker have crediblity
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