Seriously, can this Lebron hype stop now?

[JamStone]

Basically all of those 6 turnovers were during a stretch in the game where each possession was huge and there was pressure to make plays. 6 ing turnovers in the final 4 minutes of regulation and in overtime. Each one costly in a 2 point loss.

And, before Jordan starting winning les, he got criticized for not getting it done too. Seems like you and perhaps others have some warped notion that Jordan was never criticized before he started to win. He was. He was called soft and not tough enough. He was criticized for not carrying his team against the Celtics and Pistons, not able to elevate the play of his teammates. You get criticized when you don't succeed. Jordan wasn't canonized before he won les. If Jordan was put in the same situation before winning les and he played that way down the stretch, people would have said he choked too.

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I think the word "choke" is appropriate here because I personally don't think most of his errors were due to being tired, they were mental errors. His bad passes, the offensive foul, most of the other turnovers. 6 turnovers in the final 9 minutes of a compe ive game by the best player in the league is and should be unacceptable. They weren't fatigue plays. Bad passes, mental lapses. That's choking.

If it were Kobe, if it were Jordan, they would have been and justifiably criticized similarly. Part of greatness is persevering through fatigue and other obstacles and still playing great. LeBron failed in that regard. I did say without LeBron the Cavs wouldn't even have been in the game. But, again, that doesn't absolve him for his play down the stretch. We are talking about the best player in the league. You can arguably blame a missed free throw on fatigue. You can't blame all 6 of his turnovers to fatigue. Great players play better than that in the same situation. And, when they don't, they will and should get criticized for it.

There were a couple passes that went out of bounds in which it was clearly that someone didn't rotate to where they were supposed to be. Another one, he was saving a ball from going out of bounds, and had to throw it to keep from falling out. I don't consider those to be his fault. The ones in which he was driving and got blocked or pick pocketed, those were on him, but you can't get too mad at him either because he was trying to make something happen, but was forced to try to weave his way through 4 guys every time, cuz no one respected his teammates.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree that a player being forced into 1-on-5 situations and not succeeding 100% of the time is choking.

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And, before Jordan starting winning les, he got criticized for not getting it done too. Seems like you and perhaps others have some warped notion that Jordan was never criticized before he started to win. He was. He was called soft and not tough enough. He was criticized for not carrying his team against the Celtics and Pistons, not able to elevate the play of his teammates. You get criticized when you don't succeed. Jordan wasn't canonized before he won les. If Jordan was put in the same situation before winning les and he played that way down the stretch, people would have said he choked too.

I know he was criticized for those same things. But when you look back, you realize how bad his team was, and that he really couldn't do a whole lot better many times. He was unfairly criticized. Which is what a lot of people are doing to Lebron.

[atxrocker]

i'd be lying if i said i wasn't enjoying his playoff exit a bit too much. mother lebron james.

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Cleveland wasn't a le contender before this year FWIW.

stfu

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i'd be lying if i said i wasn't enjoying his playoff exit a bit too much. mother lebron james.

lol atx er

lol suckremento queens

lol mike bibby's foul

lol chris webber

[Jacko]

at the complete reversal by the Cav nuthuggers. When the Cavs won 66 games everyone was talking that team up like they were the next dynasty and how Lebron finally had a great supporting cast around him that complemented his strengths. Now that they are getting exposed its Lebron's teammates are garbage.

The Cavs are losing because they are fundamentally flowed in their makeup. It's still LBJ and a bunch of jumpshooters who can't create for themselves. Team basketball will always win over 1 vs. 5.

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at the complete reversal by the Cav nuthuggers. When the Cavs won 66 games everyone was talking that team up like they were the next dynasty and how Lebron finally had a great supporting cast around him that complemented his strengths. Now that they are getting exposed its Lebron's teammates are garbage.

I don't think anyone thought he had a great supporting cast. Just a very good defense and guys who were capable of hitting open shots. But apparently they aren't very capable of those thing either. Yet Lebron still has them contending for les. Shows how good that er is.

The Cavs are losing because they are fundamentally flowed in their makeup. It's still LBJ and a bunch of jumpshooters who can't create for themselves. Team basketball will always win over 1 vs. 5.

Which is why the Lakers won't win the le this year.

[Ghazi]

stfu

What year were they a le contender? NOBODY thought they would beat the Suns/Mavs/Spurs even if they got past the Pistons. They arguably would've been 5th-6th best in the West that year. (referring to 07)

[mytespurs]

My, my, talk about kicking a superstar when he's down! All this Lebron bashing....what has he done to deserve such rancor other than be a very talented ball player who gets a lot of media attention albeit nauseating at tmes.

The NBA is a team game correct and teams win championships....not individuals...If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), didn't MJ, arguably the greatest basketball player ever, go through some rough years before his teams started winning championships? And as a most recent example, Kobe Bryant......he hasn't had the opportunity to compete for a championship until players such as Pau Gasol, Trevor Ariza, and other key players were added to the team along with the return of Phil Jackson.

It's become obvious that the Cavs supporting cast is not as good as they were made out to be. But don't blame LeBron for that; he's doing his job....it's the others that need to step up their game. This series isn't over yet; though it may seem unlikely, it wouldn't surprise me if it goes to 7.

[Indazone]

The Cavs are this years 2007 Mavericks. Well I'll take that back, it's close but nothing can come close to the Epic Fail in 2007.