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OK, but for you there probably is no reasonable trade, since you dont want him to go, so thats impossible
hedo for manu
spurs do not need manu for clutch free throws
tp is the most clutch spur
OK, but for you there probably is no reasonable trade, since you dont want him to go, so thats impossible
No, it's just a fact. People in the "trade-ginobili" bandwagon are mostly going on the basis that two average players > one great player. Even worse, the "nick young + 5th" bandwagon is going on the basis that one ok player + rookie > a great player.
Honestly, Ginobili in his rookie season was worth more then Nick Young and the 5th, or probably any other deal NBA teams are willing to make. Being injured has not lowered that value much at all. In fact, a 30+ shooting guard just won the 'chip and Finals MVP last night, if you weren't watching.
Ginobili is a winner and extremely proud. There is no way he comes back with less then 100% effort to prove himself and convince the spurs to extend his contract. He loves the team and the city, and he loves basketball, and winning even more. This guy is extremely rare, and anyone who has followed the spurs at least since his rookie season would agree without a doubt to everything above.
And for the record, Caron Butler and the 5th is NOT a reasonable trade guys lol. That does nothing for Washington
Wait... You missed the point of the thread and I'm the idiot?
What's Ginobilis trade value? Will he be sixth man next year? Will he have any explosiveness that he relies heavily on?
If Ginobilis going to be a gimp next year, and spend most of it on the bench, then trading him for anyone that will see some floor time and score a few points will make this team better.
Sorry... looks like you're the one lacking in the brain power department.
Look at Arenas, One knee problem at 25 and he's missed two and a half years.
How's Ginobili going to recover from injuries to both ankles at 32? I wont pretend to know unlike you.
Ginobili, his teammates, the coaching staff and doctors all expect him to make a full recovery after having this entire summer off, and you still havn't showed anything close to a decent trade that makes us better after parting with him, not to mention his expiring contract. Plus, name off anyone that can be as clutch and deadly as Ginobili, be known as a 'bad boy' to the best player in the world, and score 30 points against a heavily favored for the le Lakers team in the WCF on just one leg, all just one season ago.
Anything else?
Here's the thing. I don't know, you don't know, the doctors don't know, the Spurs don't know, and even Manu doesn't know how well, how much, or how long he will be able to play next year and in the years to come. We will all find out only after he has actually played, or failed in the attempt.
The uncertainty over Manu's condition has lowered his current trade value to little more than the value of his expiring contract.
If you are truly applying logic to the situation you will understand the next point.
If Manu is broken, then his value as an expiring contract will still be there to be used at trade deadline. The Spurs would also retain the option to allow his contract to expire and use the cap space to acquire other players.
If he returns to health, then his value will increase significantly and can be used in a trade at the deadline or next summer as part of a sign and trade. Or he could be signed to an extension.
Where is the logic in trading an asset when it is nearly at its lowest possible value, when waiting can result in a great increase in value and only a very small decrease in value? If the Spurs wait, they still have all their options available (trade, extend, or use cap space). Why give up all that flexibility to make the trade now when his value is low?
Very well said! I agree with everything in this post although I still think the front office should listen to offers and shop around to see if we can get a crazy deal for Manu. Most people on this forum are either of the "under no cir stances do we trade Ginobili" or "trade Ginobili for a bag of chips" line of thought when the reasonable position is somewhere in the middle. Manu's value as a trade asset has never been lower than it is right now since he's entered the league and his value as an expiring contract will remain through next season. If he is truly too injured to continue in the NBA, the Spurs can trade him to anyone looking for an expiring contract and potentially pick up an All-Star in a salary dump. With the economy the way it is, I'm sure there are going to be some deals similar to the Pau trade where team owners are dumping payroll.
well that was nice....
it's because spurs fans are in stupid that's why.
Glad to hear you're happy as a Spurs bandwagoner. What those of us who are positive about Manu feel/think is we're willing to give him a chance to prove it on the court in game condition(s). He has been too damn instrumental in 3 of our Championships. I think Pop and the other coaches/trainers will bring him back into the mix at a slower pace this time so his ankles have a real chance at building back up their resistance. Many of us who have played team sports have been injured at one time or another and sometimes got back on the field/court too soon and were re-injured. But, we worked hard at rehabilitating and ended up coming back stronger than before.
As to him not coming back healthy is a chance we take. Any team that would trade for him would have a return clause in case he didn't pass their physical. As to the constant praying part, I'm sure fans of other teams are praying they will one day win a championship as well. However, I don't think God much cares about sports. Otherwise teams from Notre Dame, Baylor, TCU, SMU, etc., would be National Champs in every sport every year.
As to you one day hoping to be as cool as me??? My friend, I'm smack dab in the heart of Texas and it is hot as . Oh, you mean the other kind of 'cool'! Hmmmmm, that might take a lot of practice!!!
god doesnt give a about protestants we all know that
But, last time I looked, Notre Dame was Catholic.
they just suck
amen to that...
I'm sure I'll catch crap for this - it's expected. I think there are two types of Spurs fans - there's the one that sees the Spurs just like every other NBA team in that the team's sole purpose is to win a championship at whatever cost and that's completely understandable. The other fan is one that appreciates the fact that the Spurs are a small market team and they have been overacheiving with "no-name" players. These fans find a kindship to those players just as the Spurs are a "no-name" team. The Spurs have had a lot of success with their "Big 3," but they're really not a team that will appease the fan that wants the Spurs to produce each year as a business like the Lakers, Celtics, etc. Instead of wondering why our FO doesn't make "big moves," I think a realistic approach is to understand that our only chance to be compe ive is to rely on players like Manu. Most will agree that we can't get good value for him, so why are we pretending like we can? As Spurs fans, we overvalue Spurs players as we should but at some point we have to be realistic in that other teams don't value Spurs players like we do.
a lot of spurstalk members are so defensive just because they're more manu's fans than spurs fans. indeed, most of them will quit on the spurs as soon as manu isn't there anymore. and you could bet safely that some of them prayed for the spurs to lose these PO because they didn't want to see the spurs winning without manu.
that being said, there might be some defensive fans about that because honestly, manu healthy at 10 M is a no brainer. indeed, manu healthy and at his best IS a no brainer, even at 15 M.
i guess the question is will he be at his best. and i don't really see anything preventing him to be healthy this year. We could see a great manu. i'm confident.
if not, the crual truth will be three straight spurs PO wasted by manu. he doesn't deserve it.
Dude, you're absolutely right, if Ginobili is fully recovered, there's few trades that would benefit us.
The whole point of this post though is that we dont know if Ginobilis coming back.
You seriously believe the PR that the team is saying? Of course they're going to say Ginobili is going to make a full recovery and be amazing, why diminish his value even more?
The WHOLE point of this post if you read the beginning is not that I have a trade proposal for Ginobili, but that suggesting one does not make you a fake spurs fan.
As a Fan or Owner of this team, everyone should have legit questions about Ginobilis upcoming season, and suggesting he be traded is not taboo.
Like I said, thanks for calling me an idiot but you missed the boat sir. You argued with me over something I agreed with you on, just because I suggested something happen to your precious Ginobili.
Anything else?
yes, the ones from the country known as argentinaa lot of spurstalk members are so defensive just because they're more manu's fans than spurs fans
the only reason i can stand french fans is because parker is better than ginobili
We could use it the other way around too. How do we know that Manu's not going to come back healthy. It's just going to be a wait and see thing.The whole point of this post though is that we dont know if Ginobilis coming back.
Why don't you go yourself you little prick? Argentina might be a ty place, but I'll take it and us Argies over an ignorant, bitter piece of like you any day.
I'm REALLY getting ing tired with all the Argie bashing going on around here. It didn't used to be like this. This bull is going entirely too ing far. I'm tired of coming into this forum and feeling my nationality insulted. I've got a thick skin (you can ask whottt if you like), but enough is enough.
All I want to know is where are all the anti-generalization cruzaders now? you know, all those that only jump up when they feel identified by anti-american rhetoric, but are nowhere to be found when its an American bashing anyone else...
Honestly, sometimes I feel like saying " this forum and all its bull !"
The Church of Manu needs to calm the down and be Spurs fans.
The team is going to exist after Manu is done; it should act accordingly.
The only untouchable people in all of Spursdom present and past are Tim Duncan and Dave Robinson. We've got none of this without those two. , Duncan probably would have been a beast had he never met Robinson. The same can not be said for Parker and Manu. They got better by playing with Tim and still benefit by playing with Tim (except for one of them, who doesn't do much playing lately).
The only person on the team who should have a church is Tim Duncan.
If the Wizards are stupid enough to trade a young 2-guard with star potential and a #5 for an old 2-guard whose best years are done, then we may as well take advantage of them. That goes double if they'll give us an all-star in place of or alongside the young'n.
Now, it if comes out that a trade like this isn't on the table, then it's another story entirely. However, I will be most pissed if it comes to light that we could have started to rebuild while keeping Tony and Tim at the same time.
Now, having said that, flame me if it makes you feel better.
I know I am making sense.
if i wouldve said mexico or poland was nobodys chode would swell, but we dont have any superfragile mexicans or polandos on the spurs who keep ing us over year after year
its not personal personal its just i cant stand manu or his herds of argie apologists
so if you want please go, i promise not to post on any bahiablanca soccer forums
The Spurs cannot roll the dice and hope Manu is the player of old anymore. Tim Duncan is to important to that franchise for them to roll the dice and hope they dont crap out....once again. Especially when there are 2 guards out there for the taking that can push the Spurs back to level of play they have grown accustom to. You have the Wizards willing to part with butler, the Bulls leaving Gordon unrestricted, the Nets always willing to move Carter, Houston wanting to move McGrady, and Milwaukee always having Redd on the trading block. Now I know Carter isnt any younger in age...McGrady is injury prone..but the other guys are solid and these are just a few. , Gordon had a monster series against a very tough Boston team and pushed them to 7 games in the 1st round. Imagine if that kid had guys like Tim Duncan and Tony Parker next to him. The point is there are plenty of SG's out there available that are more than able to pick up where Manu left off. Its just a question if the Spurs want to pull the trigger.
you man, ginobili gave us three rings
And the only times he's been hurt, we've lost in the playoffs anyways so having him wouldn't have mattered
im not from argentina. but you write here as if you're God's gift to spurs fan. Bull .
How often do 32 year old guards come back from chronic ankle injuries that have kept them out of 2 straight playoffs?
We shouldn't be in a position where we depend on such thin hopes.
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