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Um, Mark himself already said that it was Kobe for Dirk, and that he didn't reject it because Josh was involved or anything else, he rejected it due to that re ed ass logic he gave.
Bottom line, another vomit-inducing blunder by Mark Cuban.
Exactly. The talks never progressed to the point that it got serious or close. Plus, I don't think the Lakers were ever going to do anything with him that summer, regardless of how unhappy he was. He can or could've at the time opted out in 09, meaning the Lakers would have no incentive to move him until the summer of 08. They decided to wait it out and get him some help and the rest is history. They gambled they could buy themselves some time until the summer of 08 and they did with the Gasol trade. I think he signed an extension. He wasn't going anywhere in the summer of 07, so you can't hammer the Mavs front office too hard.
Um, Mark himself already said that it was Kobe for Dirk, and that he didn't reject it because Josh was involved or anything else, he rejected it due to that re ed ass logic he gave.
Bottom line, another vomit-inducing blunder by Mark Cuban.
Whatever helps you justify what Mark did. Or didn't do, rather. Or hasn't done for 3 years now.
The Lakers weren't moving Kobe that summer. "On the table" and "being discussed" is a lot different from "firm offer." The Mavs probably didnt take the talks seriously enough to pursue it to the serious stage because they doubted the Lakers true willingness to move Kobe. Nothing will convince me otherwise that Buss was putting off a Kobe decision until the summer of 08.
No doubt Buss briefly considered moving Kobe and went through the motions of contacting other clubs after Kobe insulted him personally...but they never seriously considered moving him after looking at his contract and seeing the timeline involved.
It's unfair to blame Mark or any other organizer to stay dumb in recent years, in fact our team has got enough talent to compete with any other team in the West division. It's undeniable Kobe is a great player but Dirk is definitely not too far behind even the greatest player of all time in NBA history. Our team leader is above or beneath Kobe by a slim hair, and the role players of these two teams are roughly among the same caliber. It's been the poor coaching work that holds back our boys in blue. we have a big bunch of talented roles around Dirk in Kidd, Jet, Smokey... but our poor chemistry gives no glue to patch all these talents into a team.
I just want my ing team to do something right for a change. Even when they traded for Kidd and I thought they did something great, it turned out to be a horrible error.
I think mono's frustration is the fact Dallas has kept a core of players together for several years now that has clearly proven it doesn't have what it takes yet Cuban doesn't make any roster improvements and releases stupid news stories about how the same group of players is somehow magically getting better.
The reason I know this is cause I've had a pretty similar frustration with the Suns since they clearly proved a major change was needed after 2007.
Dirk was the man on a le team in 2006. He's probably closer to the class of Kobe then to the class of Pau, or perhaps hedged in the middle. Just saying. Even if you do consider the Heat actual champions the Mavs were within a few shots and whistles of a le, so just because Dirk "wasn't" the man on a le team (he was) doesn't mean he was never ever capable.
Although the league is stronger now and Dirk's experiencing some slight declines in certain aspects of the game, so I agree that he probably isn't an ideal #1 anymore, but he's pretty close.
Like all Mavs fans, mono is frustrated by the atrocity that was the 2006 Finals, which were robbed of the Mavs.
The Suns/Mavs did make major changes though with the Shaq and Kidd trades FWIW. Just because they didn't pay off doesn't mean they weren't major trades. Now the only question is whether they need to gut even more of their core.
I say YES in the case of the Mavs with regard to Dampier/Howard/Terry. Dampier's lack offense creates imbalance on that end of the court, Howard has bball IQ flaws and has gradually drifted away from the basket over the past few years (I think 22% of shots in paint compared to 35% or so 3-4 years ago), Terry is undersized and one dimensional and 40% of his shots are 3-PT range, yet he's not even a knockdown 3-PT shooter. They just don't play winner's basketball, not on this team at least. Ideally 2 of the 3 if not all 3 should be moved if value is available. Stack too, although that's given.
It's only a "horrible" error if Kidd walks. Otherwise, it was probably just a lateral move, although that could be interpreted as horrible since the objective of a trade is to get better.
But Kidd's intangibles offset Harris's superior offensive production. And yes, I'm busting out the intangibles card. It's the only explanation for his insanely good on/off stats and adjusted +/- numbers despite the fact that he's just a 9/8/6 guy.
Furthermore, as I've argued in the past, the Mavs in 2008 got better after the Kidd trade, especially on the defensive end, it just wasn't obvious due to a bombardment of Murphy's Law, with Dirk missing a 5 or so games due to injury/suspension, Howard turning into an inefficient chucker/blackhole/quitter, a plethora of last minute losses, Avery's coaching, etc etc.
All of this in the 07-08 West is the difference between being 7th or a Top 4 seed w/ home court. And so, all of this could have been the difference between losing in 1st round or advancing to 2nd or even WCF.
It's all hindsight, just saying... Kidd didn't make the Mavs drastically worse the past few years, and it's too soon to call it a "horrible" trade.
Nah, not really. But you and Cuban can keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, Dirk will retire ringless.
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Dirk has been all-NBA past 9 years just like Kobe. Has an MVP just like Kobe. was within 1 whistle of a le as the #1 guy.
So yes, closer stats/accolades to Kobe than Pau, at least in his prime from 2005-2007.
Then again you have suggested in the past Pau > Dirk, so of course you would disagree here
Last edited by Ghazi; 06-16-2009 at 05:26 AM.
Dirk's MVP was undeserved and should have been mailed to Kobe or Lebron after the 1st round.
lmao nice choke against the 8 seed that year M-V-P
Much deserved regular season award. And if he didn't deserve it that year he deserved it in '06 so it offsets.
suck a FGT!
Is it so hard for you to understand that the MVP is a regular season award? We all know the outcome against GSW and that Dirk didn't play well (he was injured though), but if someone led a team to 67-15 season (still tied for 6th all time) and shot 50-40-90 as the only one during that season (btw, the first 7-footer and likely the only one in the near future), he simply he deserved the MVP.
You're arguing with the epitomy of frontal lobe damage.
Dirk is way better than Pau and came much closer to a ring as a #1 guy. The Mavs came within an inch of a le, so it's definitely possible although not likely that a team can win a le with Dirk as the #1 man. Gasol couldn't even win a playoff game. The only time they met in the playoffs, Dirk kicked his teeth in, and that was a 60 win team going up against a 50 win team, so it's not like Gasol was playing with a bunch of D-Leaguers.I like Dirk and he's a cool dude and all. But the Mavs will never win it all with Dirk as the #1 guy.
Dirk's like Pau, extremely skilled but should never be the Man on a team if you want to win a Ring.
I'm not a big fan of either one but Dirk >>>>>>> Pau.
hhmm dislike of JJ Red , Gasol, Dirk, Nash.
Seeing a pattern here.
I never said I dislike Dirk, I said I'm not a big fan of him. I can't even jock on the way he carried Dallas last year.hhmm dislike of JJ Red , Gasol, Dirk, Nash.
Seeing a pattern here.
Now Einstein's quote really makes sense...
He also hates snow.hhmm dislike of JJ Red , Gasol, Dirk, Nash.
Seeing a pattern here.
Yup, I'm white and I hate white people, you got me
yeah bass would in he's pants! and dampier is getting old! good lineup! and kobe would end up like Iverson! Not good
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