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Manu is not an allstar, he is a role player. One day the masses will wake up.
Sure...because he isnt helping at all, Spurs suck with him. Sequ wants someone who plays like an allstar, doesnt make turnovers or silly mistakes and brings it every game. I'm sorry to disapoint you, but there is only one Tim Duncan, and he isnt going to play all five positions...
Sequ, I would seriously recomend you to wait until the season is over before bashing Manu this bad, you could end up looking like an ass and there is no jumping back into the Manu bandwagon now...
Manu is not an allstar, he is a role player. One day the masses will wake up.
Oh..I'm sorry Sequ, thanks for opening my eyes. I thought Manu being picked to the all-star game meant that he was an allstar, silly me, its probably a language gap.
I wonder if Sequ would be man enough to tell all that to Manu's face! I'd bet my life he's a coward.
He is a coward.
If Ginobili came up to him right now, hed stammer and stutter so bad youd think he was a re with a hairlip.
Ginobili IS an all star. he has earned it, and I believe if Pop does the right thing and rests him down the stretch, that be a huge force in the playoffs.
The is entire, unending story "Manu can't play because he's too tired" is really worrying.
He's in the prime of his career, basically healthy again, and playing only 30 MPG, he still can't keep up. There's something fundamentally unblanced and screwed up there.
He's got to learn to pace himself better, a pace more suited to his conditioning and abilities, so he can stay on the floor. Playing at a break-neck pace will break his neck.
Looking at Shawn Marion tongiht, he seems to be able to score, monster rebounding, steal, drive, run the break, etc. Just as active as Manu, and we don't here about Shawn being useless on a 2nd of B2B, or needing 3 days between games, etc. the way Manu needs coddling and resting.
There are plenty of "active" players in the NBA, but why is that Manu needs so special handling, why is Manu uniquely so fatiguable?
Even a small child would know that Manu is a great player. Sequ's pulling chains.
True, I just asked my 7 yr old neighbor and she said she said that Manu was a great player, and anyone should know that, except people that were shorter than she was. So Sequ is off the hook.
If Sequ wasn't such a coward, maybe he should go and leave a nice long message for Manu on his website that he reads pretty often. I dare him to do it
Everyday when I come to this forum I know that sequspur is an ASS HOLE one day all the masses will wake up, oh everybody knows that already
Good point, TMTTRIO.If Sequ wasn't such a coward, maybe he should go and leave a nice long message for Manu on his website that he reads pretty often. I dare him to do it
Sequ, you can even do it in English, British Boy.
Wow I'm amazed that Sequ did go and post on his website but next time you might want to try and post it under messages for manu
Funny he didn't use the big talk he spews here. No hot dog references. Pretty ass kissing post, IMO.Wow I'm amazed that Sequ did go and post on his website but next time you might want to try and post it under messages for manu
Here it is.
"I have read many articles and opinions that you are tired and need rest. Is that true? Are you prepared to play in the playoffs?
I don't think this is the case, because I have never seen or heard of an NBA player complain of being tired especially playing for the best organization in basketball and the frontrunner to win the championship.
Aren't there enough timeouts, commercials and breaks during the course of an NBA game?
or is this just typical media excuses to cover up deficiencies?
We hope you are ready for the playoffs, because it looks like we are going to need you more than ever.
Go Spurs."
Aside from the obvious: Manu playing balls out for 30 minutes per game plus, and the fact that he took part in the Olympics for the past two seasons I have a guess or two as to what makes him so "exhausted".
1.
- Perhaps he is a bit lacking in upper body strength in comparison to most the athletic guards in the league who drive to the basket a lot and absorb contact? And maybe getting bumped and thrown around makes him real sore and tired, considering the guy goes to the FT almost as much as any guard in the league relative to his shot attempts.
I know his legs also have become tired in the past, but I have to beleive that is the strongest part of his body on the court. Those long strides require a lot of thigh strength, especially considering how well he balances himself and how much explosiveness he gets out of them on a daily basis. The upper body is probably the section that is most lacking in strength. And having stronger upper body can get him more easy baskets via post up or even a better chance at drawing a foul on his 'poor man's reggie miller jumpshot into the defender'.
2.
-Perhaps the Olympics are finally catching up to him? Maybe the practices were much more strenous than say an NBA practice, and the idea of playing the past two seasons from Feb 2003 (when his ankle injury did not keep him out of play anymore) to April 2005 has finally caught up with him?
3.
-He has poor natural cardiovascular endurance, and part of that comes from lack of upper body strength (at least for someone who drives to the basket as much as he does)? Maybe he lacks some overall core strength?
4.
-Manu is just an honest guy, and is very expressive about his physical state. Obviously players get tired over the course of a season, and maybe the fact that he has played nonstop since February 2003 has become a self-fulfilling prophecy with him. Maybe deep down he wants to pace himself, but his pride tells him 'no, I have to play my game for 30 minutes rather than 40 minutes of semi-coasting'.
Perhaps it is a combination of strength/endurance issues, and being a bit too expressive about his 'state of tiredness'. Again it might partly be an issue of pride and going with the self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe deep down he could pace himself a bit more and last a few more minutes per game, but then again he might just have too much pride not to play his hardest every minute on the court?
Players such as Dwayne Wade and Shawn Marion who are also 'do it all" types are probably tired as well, but they have stronger upper body and overall CORE strength to compensate and withstand consistent contact while still performing their same explosive energy every night on both ends of the floor.
Ha!
Ha! . . . what?
Ha! Blow me.
Not sure why . . .
Your letter to Manu was very different to the you spew about him here.
Oh well . . .
^ Got zeros on his essay tests in school.
Miss Landers' note on little Sequ's paper: Young man, is that all you can say?"
Okay...you can come out of the corner now.
Nikos I am glad you are not an exercise physiologist or a doctor. Upper body strength has nothing to do with cardiac or aerobic fitness, in fact a case can be made that the reverse is true.
The guy just gives it his all every second on the floor period. He has the body of an athlete just more of a soccer type, lean long muscles which are often surprisingly strong = power from the speed they generate as much as the mass. Don't under-estimate his leg strength, few players can hand in the air as long as he can to do reverse dunks etc. at times.
If you read my post you would notice that I said his best physical asset is his LEG STRENGTH.
I'm sorry, but Wade and Marion play JUST as hard as he does for 10 extra minutes per game over an 82 game season and they aren't always mentioning how tired they are, and how they can't practice. True, we do not know what goes on behind the scenes, and for all we know Wade and Marion could be just as tired. But I would like to think Manu can last into the playoffs when only playing 30mpg in the regular season.
I think Manu is a bit lacking in upper body strength, and he has to exert more energy to make baskets underneath in traffic. Those long strides get him nice seperation, but do you ever notice how Manu's body moves when he tries to draw a foul on the perimeter? He tries to purposely absorb contact and his entire body gets thrown like a rag doll. Maybe part of it is acting, but he doesn't seem to elevate, absorb contact and maintain good balance. His balance is in his leg strength and strides, not in rising and absorbing contact. True he contorts his body very well, and uses angles as well as anyone in the league. But he isn't exactly the type to take a bump, keep rising with strength and score the basket, at least not consistently at the NBA level. Perhaps its because a lot of the times he tries to draw fouls he is already really tired and forces the action too much?
If you say that body strength has nothing to do with it, then I guess he has a below average cardiovascular endurance?
You mean to tell me that Marion and Wade do not use up as much energy in an NBA game, if not more than Manu? Especially considering they play considerably MORE minutes?
By the way did ya'll see this quote from T-Mac the other night after the loss to the Suns
"I feel like I'm about 40 years old," McGrady, 25, said. "I have tendinitis in both of my knees, and it's really painful. It's hard to run and to explode, to do what I do on the basketball court. It's really bothering me right now. It's killing me."
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