What could Bonner + Finley bring back?

[benefactor]

16 points, 7 rebounds, and a block in 27 minutes a game does stink. Great call.

Exactly. Add that to someone like Collison who averaged 8 and 7 in 26 minutes and is a good defender and you have a pretty sick lineup. It might actually be a better overall deal than getting Sheed or Dice by themselves.

[jdaveah]

If we're going for broke this year without normal regard for subsequent years, this makes sense:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=npj8sf

I can see both teams doing it if the Spurs are only focused on this coming season. If you can then sign Sheed/McD, you're fielding:

C - Sheed or McD
PF - Duncan
SF - RJ
SG - Jack
PG - Parker

then your 3 off the bench during playoff time are Manu, George Hill, and Blair. Potentially resign Bruce, and hopefully Ian can provide 10 minutes a game during the regular season. If the FO isn't feeling good about that, I wouldn't be shocked if someone like Mikki Moore was available at or near the minimum. Your remaining two roster spots go to whoever looks best on the Spurs second rounder pu pu platter and maybe one of them even becomes reliable.

[GSH]

You know... the Blazers have LaMarcus Aldridge, and if they think Greg Oden will finally be healthy enough to play they could afford to deal Joel Przybilla. His salary is a match for Bonner/Finley.

He's not much of a scorer, but he's a decent defender and rebounder. And he's a legitimate 7-footer, and pretty damned strong. Pretty much the things most people agree the Spurs need. Compared to Rasho, Przybilla is younger, quicker, a better rebounder, a better shot blocker (yep), and cheaper (probably). And he gets to the line a of a lot more often than Rasho, even though he doesn't knock them down very well.

What's in it for the Blazers? They have a lot of young guys, and could use some experience - especially from a team that knows how to win in the playoffs. Plus they could use a couple of guys who can knock down 3's. And it would put them in incredible salary cap position next year, when they have to start thinking about giving extensions to Aldridge and Roy.

I'm not saying Przybilla would be my first choice. But I'd rather have him than Rasho - especially for less money. And he's better than a lot of the scrubs on the FA lists. He's definitely big and strong enough to defend the other bigs in the league.

[EricB]

16 points, 7 rebounds, and a block in 27 minutes a game does stink. Great call.

Put up on a Milwaukee lottery team and a coach that couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Yeah I'm sold.

[EricB]

Exactly. Add that to someone like Collison who averaged 8 and 7 in 26 minutes and is a good defender and you have a pretty sick lineup. It might actually be a better overall deal than getting Sheed or Dice by themselves.

Yeah because McDyess who is twice the player than either one of em who averaged 9 rebounds a game is such a lesser player.

Guess what. Dyess also plays DEFENSE. Something "CV" can't even spell.

[scottspurs]

I posted this in another thread already but I think it could answer your question.

I can't believe so many people are freaking out about Finley. If he goes great, I wish him the best. If he stays he gives us another expiring contract. Since we've ditched the 2010 plan we could use some of the expiring contracts to pick up someone from a team who does have a 2010 plan. Since it sounds like Holt is willing to pay the tax the possibilities are endless. And if finley is on the Roster he wasn't that bad last season so I wouldn't mind him as a reserve.

we would have about 9.4 mil in expiring contracts:
Finley: 2.5 mil
Bonner: 3.2 mil
Mason 3.7 mil
Manu too but were not trading him unless he gets hurt again and we can rent a championship with someone like Cris Bosh.

With 9.4+(if you trade some cheap Rookie contracts as well) million in trade assets we could get a good player from a team trying to unload a contract that goes beyond 2010. The rights to Tiago Splitter could aslo sweeten a possible deal

Example of possible players that fit this scenario are:

Nick Collison 6.2 mil
Tyson Chandler 11.8 mil
Marcus Camby 7.6 mil
Chris Kaman 10.4 mil
Josh Smith 10.8 mil
Boris Diaw 9.0
Gerald Wallace 9.0 mil
Luol Deng 10.3 mil
Stephen Jackson 7.6 mil
Andrew Bogut 10.0 mil
Samuel Dalembert 11.3 mil
Joel Przybilla 6.8 mil
Andres Nocioni 7.5 mil
Caron Butler 9.7 mil
David West 9.0 mil
Cory Maggette 9.0 mil
Shane Battier 6.8 mil
Andrea Bargnani 6.5 mil
John Salmons 5.4 mil
Troy Murphy 11.0 mil

I know most of these names sound unrealistic, but a team may want to get rid of one of these contracts if the team is not performing well, are having money troubles or if they want to jump in the Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Raymond Felton, Shaq, Dirk, McGrady, Michael Redd, Ginobili, Bobby Simmons, Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash, Mike Miller, Brendan Haywood, and Mark Madsen Sweepstakes.

This would most likely not happen, but if it did, it would probably go down during the All-star break or the trade deadline in Feb. To fill up the roster spots that this trade made we could use a combination of Vets and bring in some young players that will spend most of the season with the Austin Toros.

I believe Blair will already be on the team so youngsters who could develop in austin and be brought up once this happened would be:

James Gist-replace Bonner/Finley
Jack McClinton-replace Mason
Marcus Williams-replace Finley
Malik Hairston-replace Bonner/Finley
Nando De Colo-replace Mason

Just one of the Benefits of having the Toros is having more bullets in our gun.

After a trade like this we could also fill up some roster spots with capable and hungry vets that will be cut during the season and available for the minimum being players like:

Bruce Bowen
Robert Horry(Probably not)
Raja Bell
Tim Thomas
Fabricio Oberto
Kurt Thomas
Speedy Claxton
Brian Cook
Brent Berry
Marcus Camby
Udonis Haslem
Mark Blount
Francisco Elson
Brian Cardinal
Etan Thomas
Antonio Daniels
Rasual Butler
Cuttino Mobley
Earl Watson
Chucky Atkins
Damien Wilkins
Anthony Johnson
Ben Wallace
Travis Outlaw
Steve Blake
Shareef Abdur-Raheem
Mikki Moore
Kyle Korver

All these players could be available and possibly cut during this offseason or during the season itself. Alot of these players would already know our system.

I'm just saying, an extra 2.5 million in trade asset is not such a bad thing.

And like I said if he is on the roster I believe he has enough left in him to contribute.

So please don't freak out.

GO SPURS GO

[RiverwalkParade]

If this package is going to be shipped out, it's not happening until the deadline. We can hope that a preseason playoff team struggles and opts to dump salary at the deadline rather than continue to compete for the playoffs.

Otherwise we could use this combo at the deadline to try and get what we really need after we have a few months to assess what we really need.

I think we will be aggressive in the FA market and then wait it out until February.

[TimDunkem]

Without Mason we have no depth at SG. I'm for a Finley/Bonner/Williams trade.

[Mr. Body]

If this package is going to be shipped out, it's not happening until the deadline. We can hope that a preseason playoff team struggles and opts to dump salary at the deadline rather than continue to compete for the playoffs.

Otherwise we could use this combo at the deadline to try and get what we really need after we have a few months to assess what we really need.

I think we will be aggressive in the FA market and then wait it out until February.

Voice of reason.

[EricB]

Those 2010 teams would love to have Bonner and Finley's contracts. What can we get from the Knicks, Nets, or Heat?

Hmm.

Boone?

[EricB]

A million bucks isn't within the 125%?

[coyotes_geek]

Bulls aren't going to do anything with Salmons until they resolve their situation with Ben Gordon. If someone throws stupid money at Gordon they'll let him walk and keep Salmons for themselves.

Foster or Collison are the only two logical targets I see. And the Spurs would probably have to kick in a little extra to get those deals done.

[loveforthegame]

Those 2010 teams would love to have Bonner and Finley's contracts. What can we get from the Knicks, Nets, or Heat?

Looking those teams I don't come up with much. Unless one of those teams are willing to throw us a good player then I don't know if it's worth it for the Spurs side.

NJ: Battie but that couldn't be completed until August 25th.

Najera/Williams also works.

NY: Jeffries.

Only other option would be to throw in Mason and get Curry.

I guess a S/T option for Lee?

Miami: Jones and Cook works. I guess they'd be willing to part with Cook if it meant getting Jones off the books.

[tav1]

Trade-drunk singalong:

Marvin Williams for a S&T

Dorell Wright and James Jones in a cap dump

Fin, Bonner and Splitter for Tyrus Thomas

Fin and Bonner for Posey---good odds on that one, I bet; NO is desperate to cut cap

[Trimble87]

not to many trades here look the least bit enticing. Bonner IMO has more value to us than anything we could get in a trade for him. I think we add a scrappy defensive center like Andersen or Varejao, bring in some of our existing assets, and call it an offseason.

I seriously doubt we trade Finley and Bonner. We need a bench and these guys are reasonably priced back ups that know the system. We need one or 2 bigs out of FA and we should be ed and loaded.

Sheed/Ian/Bonner
Duncan/Blair
RJ/Finely/Gist
Mason/Manu/McClinton
Parker/Hill

With Ian and Bonner taking up some of the minutes at the 4 and Manu and Mason any additional minutes at the 1 and we are going to be very difficult to beat. I wouldn't have any problem bringing back Oberto or Rasho cheap as an insurance big or a vet pg at the minimum as insurance.

+1

I dont expect Bonner or Finley to be traded.

[Mugen]

id love for it to happen but i just dont see Pop trading two more guys who know the system very well for someone who doesn't

prove me wrong Pop.

[Bruno]

An asset not to forget is Marcus Williams contract.
I don't have the specifics but it's highly likely that he is fully non-guaranteed for the moment. It's a little like with Bowen and Oberto contract: it can provide a team some immediate cap relief.

A Bonner+Finley+Williams can allow Spurs to get a player paid $8.3M. The other team can waive Williams and only have $5.8M in salary. It makes a $2.5M saving for the 09-10 year. You can also imagine a Finley buyout and the other team saving about $1M more.