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I'm not sure it is valid given the other rights that students do not enjoy in school.
That is not the case in schools. We need to make sure students learn. So if speech is highly disruptive, well … in that case we can suppress it.
I'm not sure it is valid given the other rights that students do not enjoy in school.
one of the curtailments is free speech if you believe the Supreme Ct
Where's the "disruption," other than a pissed off manager?
So a larger distraction is justified by the schools action? Give me a break.
I will not try to interpret if the shirt was in violation or not. I see it can be seen as a violation, but that is a matter subject to interpretation. Without knowledge that the student or parent(s) were clearly trying to violate the rules, it should have been handled in a far more respectful manner. The way they handled the situation was clearly more disruptive than a few students questions, seers, etc.
I would say the school violated it's own rules.
Certainly though, the very image of the fetus is what makes the message so strong? I'm guessing it's essential to the message she was trying to make, which should be her protected right under the 1st Amendment.
Kids don't give up their rights at the school doors.
I fail to see why public schools would have a right to tell you what kind of haircut you can have.
They're a publicly funded operation, so unless they can prove that a hairstyle or piece of clothing is majorly disruptive, and was worn with the intention of doing so without it having any other merit, then they should allow it.
Commie.
And so innappropriate at a school with 5 year olds in it.
You do know that some public schools require uniforms.
Aren't your rights somewhat limited when you're a student at a public school especially when it comes to freedom of speech?
Yes, which I think is absolute BS. No way I'm sending my kid to a public school that requires a uniform.* It just seems way too corporate to me.I have to wear a uniform at work... I don't think my kid should have to at school.
*Of course, this is assuming that there is at least another school with decent teachers, low crime rate, etc etc.
Why is it inappropriate? If it's too mature for five year olds, then couldn't you simply not explain it to the five year olds?
I went to a K-12 school during high school. Should I not have been allowed to wear clothing expressing free speech?
The First Amendment is of no use if it only protects things that everyone wants to see or hear. It is designed to protect speech that, god forbid, may be inflammatory, that may make people actually THINK.
Subversive!
Schools often times get parents and students to sign do ents that say the school can do things like that. If you already signed, then I guess the school has that ability...
Yes, but if the law isn't cons utional, then it doesn't matter, really. The law would be considered to be non-valid.
It reminds me of skiing places where you have to sign a form saying they're not liable for anything... you can still sue if their lift breaks and you fall out and break your arm, or something like that.
You can't sign away some rights.
I guess. Except that you can, people in the military for example give away certain rights that are granted by the Cons ution, most notably certain forms of free speech. I would think that if a release had been signed that stated that controversial, or provocative shirts would not be allowed, that the school was capable of making this girl change shirts. I don't agree that it is right, but I believe that it is probably legal.
True about the military, but I think that's a different beast altogether.
Children, however, can't volunteer not to go to school. I'm not sure if parents can sign away some of their rights.
It very well could be legal. I don't think it should be.
Children have limited rights to start with though, so I'm guessing that something like this could stand up in a court, if the school had gotten parental consent for the rules.True about the military, but I think that's a different beast altogether.
Children, however, can't volunteer not to go to school. I'm not sure if parents can sign away some of their rights.
It very well could be legal. I don't think it should be.
And I mostly agree that I don't think it should be legal.
That just it. Public schools are not schools of choice. You have to attend the public school in your area unless you have the money to send your kind elsewhere. Since is isn't a voluntary pick, the schools should have no right to infringe on the harmless activity of others. Parental consent has no place here.
Sorry I must explain it too you. Must have been over your head.
Parental consent has no place because you are asking parents to sign a consent, that to be valid, you have to have 100% of the parents sign. Otherwise, you have some children not required to wear the uniforms.
I actually agree with WC here.
Sure, parents can give consent for their kids for many things. However, I don't agree that the child's usage of free speech must be curbed because their parents signed an agreement.
Do the rights of the parents to determine their child's actions outweigh the child's right to free speech? I would argue not, ESPECIALLY in a public school, which is taxpayer owned/provided.
I agree with what you are saying to a limited degree. Parents are expected to be responsible for their childrens actions, therefor, they should not be denied control over them. I was pointing out that only the parents had the right to tell their children what they can and cannot do, of legal activities. The school could performing this right of the parent, but ONLY with such consent. Then, as for a school uniform policy, it's absolutely pointless, unless somehow, 100% of the parents give that right to the schools.
Within limits. Your argument would say that parents would be incapable of removing certain rights and privileges of their children. This would prevent a parent from grounding their child for what the child says. After all, a kid telling a parent they are a ing moron is an example of free speech (and a good example of a kid that needs a whipping).
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