Jordan's corpse would be better than Bonner.
What's the problem with David expressing his faith?
You don't have to agree with it....that's your call.
But if it helped him to become a better man....that's nothing wrong with him speaking about in his speech.
He hasn't been phony with his faith and he wasn't trying to convert the audience to Christianity.
If David was Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu....you wouldn't probably made that remark in your post.
Sheesh......
Last edited by MarHill; 09-12-2009 at 09:59 PM.
The underlying theme of Jordan's speech was to explain what motivated him as a basketball player. I think it was a good way to journey through his career, but he marred it by also taking the opportunity to blast his enemies along the way. But I didn't really expect anything different from MJ, I remember exactly what he was like when he played and how he's been since retirement.
The only people who are shocked are the idiot MJ worshippers who idolized and glorified the man so they could poo poo on the accomplishments of Kobe and Lebron.
This isn't news. MJ has always been a bag and he always will be. He was an amazing basketball player there is no doubt about that. But this is what happens to someone when they go through life with everyone sucking them off constantly and never calling them out for their B.S.
The Dr returns in triumphant splendor!
Michael was still competing, long after the compe ion was over. That's what makes him Michael Jordan. Because he kept competing when every else was tired, or wanted to quit, or wanted to give up, he kept competing and he's still doing it. If he wasn't like that, he would not have been able to win those championships. That's what it took to do what he did...it's either heroic or petty depending on you POV.
It's funny that Jordan thinks there are mysteries to him(or anyone else does) he's about as transparent as you can be and he tries to be brutally honest.
I personally think he's very overrated as a basketball player, he's definitely a great one but he's not near the best ever IMO. And if he'd had to contend with Magic and Bird in their primes this would be hammered home. Actually it was hammered home...and it would have been in the 90's too. And he is definitely overrated in the way he is viewed and outright worshipped.
The one area however where he is not over-rated is in his comp iveness, he is definitely one of the most compe ive people to ever live on this planet. It is pretty much all there is too him.
I wouldn't want to be Michael Jordan, but if you value compe iveness above anything and everything else, I can see why you would want to be him and idolize him...compe iveness is over-rated too IMO.
With him and greatness? It's just basketball....
The Jordan Rules really is a fantastic book.
Agree on the sense that compe iveness is overratted once you get out of the ring its pointless. It can actually drive people away from you. I have known people with MJ's personality they all have the same traits which are they are sucessful but lonely bitter people.
Oh no, he loses points! How dreadful that you, a singular anonymous person on the internet, are telling one of the top 50 players of all time that he *gasp* loses points. On his Hall of Fame inductee speech. My, I was going to say David had a good day, but "mingus" from SpursTalk docked him for his speech, so D-Rob just isn't cool now.
For you to dock him for stating what he did makes me wonder if you're a new Spurs fan, or you are too young/have done something to make you forget all about the 90s.
Does it hurt?
Oh no, he loses points! How dreadful that you, a singular anonymous person on the internet, are telling one of the top 50 players of all time that he *gasp* loses points. On his Hall of Fame inductee speech. My, I was going to say David had a good day, but "mingus" from SpursTalk docked him for his speech, so D-Rob just isn't cool now.
For you to dock him for stating what he did makes me wonder if you're a new Spurs fan, or you are too young/have done something to make you forget all about the 90s.
commie
Mar/goods/precision style.
Jordan shoulda, woulda, coulda.
let the man be himself as long as he doesn't rape anyone
and to give some more credit to Jordan... he is more compe ive than Manu and that says a lot...
This MJ bash reminds me of the Kobe bashes. Who the cares. He is who he is, that is Michael Jordan.
I read all this then saw the speech.. don't really see what the big deal is. He basically admitted that he used any motivation he could get and gave thanks. Flying out the guy from HS, if they're not still friends, was low. other than that, he was honest. being hyper-compe ive is not a crime. he's probably an asshole, but that doesnt change the fact that he was the most dominant, game changing player on both ends of the court at his position, and the icon of his sport.
you get an A+ for distorting my post.
so D-Rob just isn't cool now..
i'm not sure what you gathered from my original post to make these claims.
MJ was an ass when he had a chance to show the world he'd grown up, Jamstone is spot on, and as usual Tlong misses the point.
Nothing changes.
That is a very interesting point. Manu is a super-compe or, but he manages not to be an arsehole human being but the exact opposite - kind, generous, and humble. MJ, OTOH, is a winner and that's all he is.
Personally, I'll take a guy who can win and be gracious about it afterwards over the GOAT.
And yes, just to reiterate, I just said I'll take Manu over Jordan... not in a basketball sense, but in the sense of a fully-formed human being. MJ still seems to be stuck at an emotional age of about 17.
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All this is true...but yet it was still distasteful.
course u have
If the "You made a mistake" line wasnt insulting in your eyes, then you're re ed
MJ is a loser. He's like that annoying kid you knew growing up that would keep telling everyone how they beat you at something even though it happened a week ago. Except the kid is on the verge of turning 50 and proved their point decades earlier.
He is trying to stay relevant in something that he is way too old for. He was the greatest of all time, but he acts like he's prepped to step onto a court and go one-on-one with these people from so many years ago, even though he'd bust his knees.
Get over yourself. We get it. We got it a long time ago. People trash Kobe frequently, but he has definitely matured in his time in the league, unlike MJ with the heart of a 15 year old boy with a grudge.
Watching that jackass give that speech made me appreciate Kobe.
Gross.
I can't believe I just typed that.
Hardly. It is you that is missing the point. MJ didn't need to show the world anything.MJ was an ass when he had a chance to show the world he'd grown up, Jamstone is spot on, and as usual Tlong misses the point.
Nothing changes.
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