Pau or Manu?

[JamStone]

As a franchise player, saying he was a "complete stinker" is still too harsh and unwarranted. Not every franchise player has to bring the team a championship to not be a stinker. And, considering where the Grizzlies franchise was before Pau and since he left, just making it to the playoffs three years in a row would absolutely not cons ute being a "complete stinker."

I don't basically agree with you. I don't think he's the type of franchise player that can automatically make a team a championship contender. But, that doesn't mean I think he's a complete stinker as a franchise player. What he did for Memphis was probably even more than they expected from him. You're looking at his years in Memphis in a pretty warped way.

[diego]

spain 2008:
gasol
fernandez
navarro
calderon
reyes
jimenez
garbajosa
rubio
lopez
rodriguez
gasol
mumbru

spain 2004:
gasol
fernandez
navarro
calderon
reyes
jimenez
garbajosa
yebra fernandez
duenas hernandez
iturbe
comas font
de la fuente



argentina 2008:
scola
ginobili
oberto
gutierrez
delfino
nocioni
gonzalez
prigioni
porta
quinteros
gutierrez
kammerichs

argentina 2004:
scola
ginobili
oberto
gutierrez
delfino
nocioni
hermann
sanchez
montecchia
sconochini
wolkowisky
fernandez

argentina changed 6 players from 04 to 08, losing all their point guards and a good back up center to age (hardest positions to fill/compete against USA), not to mention Hermann and Sconochini two important players also.
spain changed 5 players from 04 to 08, the only noteworthy additions being m. gasol and rubio (a C and a PG). or did I miss something where Mumbru, rodriguez and Lopez were great additions to their team?

why is it fair to say that 08 spain would have beat 04 USA, and not that 04 argentina would have beat 08 USA? that's all hypothetical BS. fact is Argentina won the olympics and the WC (1950 baby!) and spain has only won the WC.
of the tournaments that matter, manu has 3 rings, a gold medal and a silver. Pau has 1 ring, a silver and a gold.
argentina > spain
manu > pau
(for both categories, only in accomplishments, not present day level unfortunately ... )

[spursnatic]

Hands down.... Manu.....Pau is not even close..And I am not saying that because I am a SPURS fan either

[temujin]

Yeah, because Marc puts up much bigger numbers than his brother...

Numbers.

Pau played for years with Spain, and won zero.
0.
After they blew the 07 Euro at home he even became a legend in that.
Then his brother came in.
And they won a WC and an Euro.

Check out who did NOT play in the WC final.

It's all about winning.

[The_Game]

Hands down.... Manu.....Pau is not even close..And I am not saying that because I am a SPURS fan either

yeah you are.