Wages of Wins: Once Upon a Time in Phoenix

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you aware that he had limited funds and desire to re-sign Tim Thomas when he said that?

No, because I'm referring to him saying that towards the end of the 2008 regular season when the press was starting to get on his case for being a one trick pony.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You ever heard of Joe Johnson? Amare Stoudemire? Leandro Barbosa?

Joe Johnson is the player he is today because Atlanta was wiling to ride out the 2 year mess their team would be while JJ developed his individual skills. D'antoni wanted to develop JJ as nothing more than a catch and shoot player who would play off Steve Nash.

Amare Stoudemire is no different. D'antoni developed him into a player who scores all of his points off well executed pick and rolls, and like JJ, plays off Steve Nash. D'antoni had no interest in developing Amare or JJ's ability to create their own shot.

Notice how Amare has no post game whatsoever? How is it that he could have played for the phenomenal amazing player developer you seem to think Antoni is for 4 years and not have any post up skills at all? The way you talk about Antoni he shoulda been able to turn Amare into Hakeem Olajuwon.

[rjv]

Once upon a time, the Phoenix Suns were the best team in the Western Conference

starts off just like a fairy tale and just keeps going.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You must not have been here when Amare Stoudemire had no jumpshot

WOW!!!! in his 4+ years as Amare's coach, Amare developed a good reliable mid range jumper, something anyone can do with a basketball, a basketball court, and spare time.

So let me confirm this in 4+ years of coaching Amare, Antoni did nothing at all to improve Amare's pick and roll defense, Amare's post defense, Amare's ability to box out and get rebounds, Amare's ability to create a shot in the post with his back to the basket, Amare's ability to pass, and Amare's overall discipline and maturity, BUT, the fact Amare now has a mid range jumper makes him a great talent developer. Is that what you're saying?

[da_suns_fan]

No, because I'm referring to him saying that towards the end of the 2008 regular season when the press was starting to get on his case for being a one trick pony.

See what I mean? You are clueless.

He didnt say that at the end of 2008. Im guessing you first read it in a Dan Bickley piece at the end of 2008. Of course if you had a clue, you would realize that he actually said it in the summr of 2006. Dan was just recalling an old quote.

[da_suns_fan]

Joe Johnson is the player he is today because Atlanta was wiling to ride out the 2 year mess their team would be while JJ developed his individual skills. D'antoni wanted to develop JJ as nothing more than a catch and shoot player who would play off Steve Nash.

Yep...still clueless. Joe Johnson served as the primary backup pg in 2004-2005.

In addition, isolations for Joe Johnson were one of the only set plays that the Suns ran. He hit two game winners using his "rock em to sleep" jumper. One against Dallas and one against Memphis. This is why he got a max offer. He was already known to be an amazing player.

Likewise, in 2004, JJ was the Suns primary scorer after the Marbury trade. The running joke was that D'Antoni would make a joke "try to score 30" and JJ would do it.

You are CLUELESS. You have no idea what you are talking about. You take quotes out of context and out of date and interpret them incorrectly. You are WRONG!

[monosylab1k]

WOW!!!! in his 4+ years as Amare's coach, Amare developed a good reliable mid range jumper, something anyone can do with a basketball, a basketball court, and spare time.

So let me confirm this in 4+ years of coaching Amare, Antoni did nothing at all to improve Amare's pick and roll defense, Amare's post defense, Amare's ability to box out and get rebounds, Amare's ability to create a shot in the post with his back to the basket, Amare's ability to pass, and Amare's overall discipline and maturity, BUT, the fact Amare now has a mid range jumper makes him a great talent developer. Is that what you're saying?

Actually, Amare developed his midrange jumper during the 05-06 season when he was out for the season. So technically, microfracture surgery did all the work, not D'Antoni.

[monosylab1k]

You are CLUELESS. You have no idea what you are talking about. You take quotes out of context and out of date and interpret them incorrectly.

unintentional self-ownage.

[da_suns_fan]

WOW!!!! in his 4+ years as Amare's coach, Amare developed a good reliable mid range jumper, something anyone can do with a basketball, a basketball court, and spare time.

So let me confirm this in 4+ years of coaching Amare, Antoni did nothing at all to improve Amare's pick and roll defense, Amare's post defense, Amare's ability to box out and get rebounds, Amare's ability to create a shot in the post with his back to the basket, Amare's ability to pass, and Amare's overall discipline and maturity, BUT, the fact Amare now has a mid range jumper makes him a great talent developer. Is that what you're saying?

What are we talking about here? JMJ and you claimed that D'Antoni didnt want those draft picks because he didnt want to develop players.

NOW you are saying that he did a poor job "developing" Amare. I dont give a ! Youre missing the point! The point is he was willing to give substantial minutes to anyone who proved that they could be a player in the league and this talk about "not playing a bench" or "not developing players" is bull .

Amare is not DJ Strawberry. Not Eric Piatowski. Not Majec Lampe. Not Jackson Vroman. Not Pat Burke etc. These are all players JMJ claimed D'Antoni should have played more.

We're not talking about Amare.

[da_suns_fan]

Actually, Amare developed his midrange jumper during the 05-06 season when he was out for the season. So technically, microfracture surgery did all the work, not D'Antoni.

Obviously youre more clueless than DOK if you think Amare developed his mid range jumper in 06, dumbass.

[monosylab1k]

Also it's well do ented that Mike had little to do with developing Barbosa, it was almost all his brother Dan's doing.

[monosylab1k]

Obviously youre more clueless than DOK if you think Amare developed his mid range jumper in 06, dumbass.

And apparently you're not capable of reading a book. It's well do ented when Amare started working on his jumper.

[da_suns_fan]

Also it's well do ented that Mike had little to do with developing Barbosa, it was almost all his brother Dan's doing.

Yes...that Mike D'Antoni didnt do anything to help LB develop. He didnt give him minutes or bring in a special coach especially for him or anything.

Do you even know how ing stupid you are?

[monosylab1k]

bring in a special coach especially for him

meaning Mike wasn't coaching him, that "special coach" (his brother Dan, it's well do ented) was doing the coaching.

[da_suns_fan]

And apparently you're not capable of reading a book. It's well do ented when Amare started working on his jumper.

Is this gonna be another instance where you CHANGE a quote from "Seven seconds or less?"

You are WAY ING WRONG. By 2004-2005, Amare's jumper was already there. He had been working on it since Frank Johnson was coach (maybe he deserves the most credit). If you youtube his fifty point game against Portland (2004-2005), you will see it time and time again just as smooth as it is today.

Now just admit you dont have the slightest clue what you are talking about because you just got owned.

UPDATE: In fact, you will see Amare hit a smooth fade-away from the post to get his 49th and 50th points.

Owning you is fish in a barrel cuz you talk out of your ass so much. Is it deliberate?

[monosylab1k]

Avery Johnson gave Devin Harris lots of minutes but you'd be an idiot to say he developed him.

[da_suns_fan]

Avery Johnson gave Devin Harris lots of minutes but you'd be an idiot to say he developed him.

Leandro Barbosa went from a human turnover to beating out Manu Ginobili for 6th man of the year in 2007. You want to give all the credit to the assistant coach D'Antoni brought in just to work with him. I dont care. The bottom line is that D'Antoni didnt have anything against young players or allowing players to learn or play as the stupid cliche suggests.

[monosylab1k]

Is this gonna be another instance where you CHANGE a quote from "Seven seconds or less?"

Oh, so you've heard of it? Then you know it's well do ented about when Amare's midrange jumper became consistent.

[monosylab1k]

UPDATE: In fact, you will see Amare hit a smooth fade-away from the post to get his 49th and 50th points.

you don't know how to post youtubes.

[monosylab1k]

Leandro Barbosa went from a human turnover to beating out Manu Ginobili for 6th man of the year in 2007. You want to give all the credit to the assistant coach D'Antoni brought in just to work with him. I dont care. The bottom line is that D'Antoni didnt have anything against young players or allowing players to learn or play as the stupid cliche suggests.

Yeah you really made a case for it.

[da_suns_fan]

Oh, so you've heard of it? Then you know it's well do ented about when Amare's midrange jumper became consistent.

I own it and Ive read it. Please tell me what page you are referring to.

Youre full of and youve been owned.

[da_suns_fan]

you don't know how to post youtubes.

Did you see the jumper? Was it there? Nice and smooth, wasnt it?

Do you want to admit you were wrong now?

[Culburn369]

The bottom line is that D'Antoni didnt have anything against young players or allowing players to learn or play as the stupid cliche suggests.

Exactly. It's nothing more than disgruntled masses advancing urban myth.

[da_suns_fan]

Exactly. It's nothing more than disgruntled masses advancing urban myth.

Thanks Cubby...I agree and I think it stemmed from BOREDOM. Bored at seeing the same 8 players play every night and no ring. As if it was D'Antoni's fault the owner only gve him 8 players (one of them James freaking Jones) who were in anyway deserving of a roster spot. The Masses didnt care.

"Lets see DJ Strawberry!"

"Lets see Jackson Vroman and Macej Lampe!" - JMarksJohn

Now, I wanted D'Antoni gone too. But it was more to do with lack of discipline and the fact that he was destroyed by Popovic 3 times in four seasons.

[Culburn369]

Now, I wanted D'Antoni gone too. But it was more to do with lack of discipline and the fact that he was destroyed by Popovic 3 times in four seasons.

You were beat, but, never beaten by San Antonio. You were done in by catastrophe & calamity of your own doing. Your organization's vanity made you throw up the white flag and that's a shame.