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The Anglican (Epicopalean) also raised to bishop and openly and practicing sexual priest.
hey exstatic, is it true that the episcopalian faith is the closest to christianity? or is it considered christianity, and did i mean to say it was the closest to catholicism?
i can't remember about religion.....even though i used to go to catholic schools from grades 2-12....along with the necessary theology classes...ugh, talk about brain washing
luckily i survived
The Anglican (Epicopalean) also raised to bishop and openly and practicing sexual priest.
Well...ah, nevermind.
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read Drachen READ!
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No date on this? Every other picture from nobelief.com (dude, can you say Christan Haters?memories...
Damn!! What a wacko website) is at latest 1935...
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more kindleing for the fire...
SwissInfo.orgApril 20, 2005 4:05 AM
New pope shelved sex abuse claim, accuser says
By Alistair Bell
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A former trainee priest who has accused the founder of an influential Catholic order of sexual abuse said on Tuesday that new Pope Benedict XVI deliberately shelved a probe into his claims for six years.
Jose Barba is one of eight ex-members of the Rome-based Legion of Christ, most of them Mexicans, who accuse the order's founder, Marcial Maciel, of sexually abusing them from the 1940s through the 1960s.
The allegations are too old to be investigated under criminal law but nine former members brought a suit against Maciel, 84, under the Vatican's canonical law in 1998. One has since died.
The case was filed at the Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who was elected Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday.
God may only know the truth to that Dan, but does that ever stink....he said she said.
The new pope, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now known as Benedict XVI, is a former Hitler Youth member. He now says he joined this under duress, but one has to wonder about the church's penchant for martyrs/saints who refused to do something that was outside their moral values and were executed as a result. Obviously, the new pope wasn't ready for martyrdom, and joined Hitler Youth.
As an American Catholic, I wonder very much about other statements made by this new pope: the role of women in the church (subservient), the idea that priests can marry (anathema, although Jesus never asked celibacy of his apostles - St. Peter, the so-called first pope married three times), birth control (outrageous proof of hedonism).
Right up until the great schism, which caused the Eastern Orthodox Church to break with the Roman Church, the Holy Spirit was a female en y known as Sophia (Wisdom). In the initial Apostles' Creed, Jesus was the product of the love between the Father and the Holy Spirit (Sophia). When the "Old Poops" re-wrote doctrine, they eliminated any female reference from the Gospels. Sophia became a male Holy Ghost who was generated by the love between the father and the son. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it? This is when the Eastern Church split and the great Hagia Sophia remains as one of the world's greatest temples to a female Holy Spirit. In the Eastern tradition, the Apostles' Creed still states that Jesus (or the Redeemer) is the product of God (power) and the Holy Spirit (Sophia/Wisdom).
I am steeped in religion - the Catholic religion. Not only did I attend Catholic school from grades 1 through 12, but I also attended Catholic college, before breaking free and graduating from a secular university. However, I can recite the "Our Father" (Pater Noster) and the "Hail Mary" (Ave Maria) and the entire ritual of a Mass and Benediction in Latin. I was the editor of a Catholic newspaper for nearly five years. I have hobnobbed with nuns, priests, bishops - and yes, cardinals, for most of my life.
This is why I feel that I have a right to express an opinion. Occasional Catholics and Hysterical Catholics don't know what I know.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger has been called "The Hammer," and "The Defender of the Wrong," and "God's Rotweiller," and "The Enforcer," in my circle. None of these are labels of praise. You may be very comfortable with the election of Ratzinger, but what could one expect? Of course the dean of the College of Cardinals would be a front-runner. Is he the best choice? Who really cares? Only a fool would think that any pope has real clout in the scheme of things.
Pope Benedict XVI will set back the forward movement of the church, but he's 78 years old and may well fall prey to a debilitating illness quite soon in his reign. I don't hope for this, and it matters little to me what pompous ass takes over in his stead. They are all pompous asses.
A very dear friend phoned me tonight (a priest) to ask my opinion of the new pope. I told him pretty much what I've posted here. He said, "Everyone I've spoken to says he's very humble..." Well, I know he said more than that, but my mind locked on the "humble" description.
"How can he be humble while insisting that everything he says is the gospel truth?" I asked. There was a long pause and I thought that my friend had hung up. Then came a long, loud sigh. "Aaahhh," he finally replied, "You always ask the hard questions!"
So, I ask of you: Ask the hard questions; accept no one at face value; don't be afraid to question the tenents of the faith you say you espouse. Does it all make sense to you? Do you have any questions?
If you don't, the time has come for you to seriously question your faith and why you believe what you believe. Are you sure your faith isn't just something you've been spoonfed and your beliefs demanded of you?
Peace and love....
I don't know how knowledgeable I am...but I know where to find answers if I don't know.
Also, it depends on your definition of "radical change"...
I hear you, Joe...I've found a high percentage are merely anti-Catholic bigots looking for fresh meat. Don't confuse them with facts, they already have their minds made up.
Well, my faith is solid as a rock. Amen.
I have no doubts either.
Well , many of you just treating the religon as some kind of politics. I hate the threads about it in a political forum but well...
If you are happy somewhere else than in Catholic church okay, let it be. John Paul II was talking about uniting the religions.
Universal church? - (for everybody) one of the predictions to the word (Nostradamus and things). What about the black Pope ? He should be next and last before the worst times in history but who believes in that.
You talkin about the Pope the priests , this wrong , that wrong, okay but if it was abot that so I wouldn't know what the true faith is.
PEOPLE ARE THE CHURCH - not soeme building and having a pleasure all the time.
God gave you the choice. And it's your decision to make the right ones.
All faiths that believe in Jesus are considered christian.
Easiest "A"s ever. It's not as bad as other school's theology classes, trust me.i can't remember about religion.....even though i used to go to catholic schools from grades 2-12....along with the necessary theology classes...ugh, talk about brain washing
Also papal ifallibility can be invoked in two ways 1) when the church meets and comes to a conclusion on doctrine. The justification being that the Holy Sprit was there to influence the council's doctrine. and 2) Something about the pope and throne of Saint Peter, this one I'm not sure of.
This selection doesn't surprise me, the church has made liberal changes, if you don't believe me look at what it was 35 years ago. Not liberal as we would see it. Ratzinger is uberconservative so don't look for any doctrinal changes any time soon. Unless they are regressive and not progressive.
women do hand out the host now.. they call them eucharist ministers...
regardless, the way the world came together at the death of pope jp II is something that shows catholicism is still very strong. you will not see that for the death of any other religious leader.
The deaconate was just recently put back and it too existed in the early church, it just takes time and patience, and some don't have that.
What he is refering to is that when the Church first started, women led services like priests do now.
what is the big deal??? why do women want to do everything like men...even fight in combat... why aren't women complaining that there are only a handful of women ceos???
I would say it's because the woman priest and combat thing are publicised more, once they get what they want they'll find something else to about.
the women need to go complain to the muslim scholars about women in the muslim society...
Wtf elpimpo4cc ?
I always wondered what the other half was.And knowing is half the battle!
I've "left" the church for reasons that I've outlined before. Basicly, I think it's unessecary for my relationship to any god that may exsist.
That being said, I respect NeoCon, Joe, and Travis for what they believe and the way they believe it. They are great examples of good catholics.
Thank you sir. I should buy you a beer sometime.
Because women today are stupid. They used to rule the world. Men did what they had to do during the day, but at night in bed they listened to their females... or God help them. Now, women have lost that feminine touch, and all the power they had before with it, and need to make themselves feel equal.
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