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    if people are upset about tony's playmaker ability, which is their right, they should be worried about hill's skills in that aspect of his game. he'll never be half the playmaker tony is, that's for sure.

    for the rest of his game though, the kid is great.
    you make it sound like Hill wont get anywhere near TPs lvl, Hill is playing better than TP ever did his first 2 seasons in the league...Hills game is coming around, only thing he doesnt have is the first option scoing mentality cause pop has ask him to setup/defer when theres an open.

    dont get offended cause ur fav player is declining and the a new player is on the rise....

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    Parker's games is speed. He doesn't have that speed yet. He is injured. Let's give him time. Once that happens he can drive ans dish it out to shooters and score at will.

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    Why do foreign fans have such a difficult time admitting that playing for their respective national teams is not beneficial to players for an upcoming season?
    'Cause there is no proof of that.

    99% of the players that play during the summer end up having a great season.

    What about the players that don't play during the summer and end up getting hurt or playing like too? Who's fault is it?

    Everybody blamed summer play for Ginobili's latest injuries, when actually, the first time Mau got hurt was in the '08 playoffs when he had taken the summer off, and that injury was the one that caused the other two.

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    you make it sound like Hill wont get anywhere near TPs lvl, Hill is playing better than TP ever did his first 2 seasons in the league...Hills game is coming around, only thing he doesnt have is the first option scoing mentality cause pop has ask him to setup/defer when theres an open.

    i bet Hill playmaker ability won't ever reach TP's ones, despite it's not his main quality. I just can't see it considering how Hill handle the ball and how low his APG are.

    i guess, even if you never know, that Hill offensive game won't ever reach TP's one. i mean a +20ppg/50% player having to carry the offensive load. because a player like TP, come from nowhere to reach star status, is very rare. which doesn't mean it won't happen for Hill, but it's still the exception.

    About defense, Hill is already better than TP will ever be. same about rebounding, which isn't very important for a point guard but still a useful skill.


    The kid is a good guy and a good player. i would be happy if he'd become the MVP of the RS in few years. Especially if he's still on the spurs roster.


    Hope we won't get in a Hill vs TP after so many useless TP vs manu.

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    dont get offended cause ur fav player is declining and the a new player is on the rise....
    after his best season last year.

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    Please ...
    It's only 8 first RS games...
    We just have to let Tp and Pop adjust to this new team.
    I agree Tony isn't the perfect PG now but we all know the guy is a warrior and a worker.
    But just think about it you guys:
    Tony learned under POP how to run this "special" team during all these years and it has been a success so far.
    I mean if he was playing for thr SUNS under another coach with different mentality and style of play, he would have become a different PG.
    Think: just put a guy who used to run a team with the same old fashion during 5 years, in a new roster, it's like you asking him to change his play during all those years dramatically in a month...
    I bet even Paul or Nash need time to adapt. That's why PG position is a difficult one.
    Now it's clear that the SPURS are still under construction, I hope POP is working on that to build or RE-build a new team.
    We can't play anymore like we used to play with Tony and Tim running the show alone.
    In that way I understand some posters saying TP is not good, and I agree TP has to play more like nash or paul, we don't need him scoring 30 points (that doesn't mean he has to forget his agressiveness and still has to be the leader during crucial games).
    But when you see the plays, it's always the same systems, Tony doen't have the ball to create in a way that would let him involve all the guys like Nash knows how to do. That's why you see Jefferson becoming a Finley-like player last night for example, he's just waiting in the corner. And the truth is: The SPURS always played like that !!! Then I would say POP is a big part of the SPURS bad form. POP HAS TO ADAPT not in the rotation or what but first in the style of play and mentality!

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    I'm not really talking about Tony's passing though..he obviously isn't a passer, but I'm just talking about his scoring, which is usually very reliable..

    He's usually very explosive and manages to finish at the basket in unbelievable ways..I haven't seen that at all so far this season, and it looks like the Summer took a toll on his body..he's not blowing by defenders like we're accustomed to seeing from him, and that's going to be necessary for this team succeed..

    Everybody on the team seems to want Tony to be the clear #1 option..if he isn't making those plays, we're screwed, since he's a shoot-first PG..I don't mind his style at all, but it's concerning if he isn't going to have the same first-step..

    He should have been held out a little longer IMO, and rest his body up a little more..
    I noticed the same thing. TP looks a little sluggish and slow. Defenses seem to contain him more easily and he's not blazing by defenders and finishing at the rim with his usual zeal. It's obvious that he's far from regular season form.

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    Still I wish Tony:- attempt less.
    - doing more pick and rolls.
    - looking for Jefferson and hill more.
    - create a chemistry with jefferson on fast break ( we love when he's doing one man fast break and creating and ones but in order to make those chemistry and involve everyone I like him to lose his tunnel vision, then we could maybe see Jeff and other guys running together on fast break...).
    - pass more++++++
    -attempt less-------
    -pass more+++++
    - talk seriously with POP
    - I mean SERIOUSLY....
    -just be that in leader a real PG who involve everyone.

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    Its a given that TP is a bad mother when it comes to driving the lane & scoring... The problem i have is that he seems to hold onto the too long gets others out of rythm.....Mainly Richard Jefferson. Not sure what the problem is? or should i say where to begin, i know we tell our seleves its just the first 6-7 games of the season but when do you really need to start questioning the coaching and the players..

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    How can the SPURS look better without TP and TD in the lineup... And win against a good team record wise but lose to the Thunder, when they got thier stars back.... Almost feel like POP should have eased they way back into lineup make them come off the bench start the same starting lineup as the night before and see what happens... Oh well what do i know just your average fan who knows nothing about the game.... right!!!!!

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    Its a given that TP is a bad mother when it comes to driving the lane & scoring... The problem i have is that he seems to hold onto the too long gets others out of rythm.....Mainly Richard Jefferson. Not sure what the problem is? or should i say where to begin, i know we tell our seleves its just the first 6-7 games of the season but when do you really need to start questioning the coaching and the players..
    Yeah right we don't know where to begin because the spurs won like that before but it's clear that the problem is more deep that we think.
    The proof is we have a better team on the paper, but on the court we see tha same problems we used to see last year.
    Then the coach need to start questionning what is the real problem!

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