Obama "We noticed"

[Phenomanul]

Making something mandatory is such a ridiculous notion on so many levels. For one, it removes any meaning it might possibly had. Who cares what people do when they're forced to do it because its when its not forced that it might actually have some meaning.

I also don't need someone else telling me I need to show the state some mandatory form of respect. Frankly, thats ing outrageous.

No one's forcing you to do anything... go burn an American Flag if you so desire (it's a form of protected speech)...

The President, on the other hand, is the Head of State... even if his speech is protected by the same cons utional right, imagine if he went around burning U.S. Flags? (extreme example, I know)... what type of message would that send?

geessh.

Deviating from a tradition during the Pledge of Allegiance is by no means that inciting... but the analogy holds... elected officials represent this nation... they have to uphold our patriotic ideals even if you or I don't have to. As I have tried to explain, Obama's blunder is justified if his mind wasn't all there... if he were distracted... trying to justify a willful deviation from said tradition however, requires some form of explanation on his part.... Apologists trying to downplay it simply doesn't cut it...

[Phenomanul]

i bet you regret ever saying that out loud, because you keep backing away from it.

It's laughable how you firmly believe that my comment somehow invalidates anything else I have to say. That you naively believe that to be your "ace up the sleeve" argument.... please.

[clambake]

watch out everybody. he's still backing up.

[Phenomanul]

watch out everybody. he's still backing up.

Backing up?



I believe in demons and angels. I've never denied that belief.

But please clambake... enlighten us on why that has anything to do with the subject at hand?

[clambake]

have you made your meaningful, mandatory pledge today?

[Phenomanul]

have you made your meaningful, mandatory pledge today?

Nice dodge... who is backpedaling now?

As for your question,

If I answer "yes" you'll snicker at it...

If I answer "no" you'll be snide about that too...

So how about I answer, "it's none of your business..."

[clambake]

Nice dodge... who is backpedaling now?

you are. you demanded that everyone should be required to say the pledge, until you backed up to say just elected officials. why are you treating this like some nazi over something this trivial?

damn, this and all the angels and demons surrounding you. how do you carry all these monkeys around?

As for your question,

If I answer "yes" you'll snicker at it...

If I answer "no" you'll be snide about that too...

So how about I answer, "it's none of your business..."

your whole about this is how it is your business.

holy , little jesus, you just back off the cliff!

[Phenomanul]

you are. you demanded that everyone should be required to say the pledge, until you backed up to say just elected officials. why are you treating this like some nazi over something this trivial?

Ummm... no. You and CD interpretted that way. Conveniently so I would add. All from my use of the phrase "it should be automatic" which you all took out of context to mean something I didn't convey... all for the sake of your strawman... predictably enough, when I stated that the word choice was in reference to a vestige reflex from our public schooling both of you conveniently ignored it.

damn, this and all the angels and demons surrounding you. how do you carry all these monkeys around?

Your insistence on using this particular belief of mine to invalidate anything else I have to say... has run its course. You've been called out for it. But carry on; every time you bring it up it's your Freudian way of conveying that your really can't counter what I've said.

your whole about this is how it is your business.

holy , little jesus, you just back off the cliff!

Again, all of this is a disingenuous ploy to detract from the obvious... Obama needs to explain his rather noticeable deviation from tradition. And sadly, you haven't been able to offer one. But keep spinning it.

[Winehole23]

Obama needs to explain his rather noticeable deviation from tradition.

Why? Because you demand an answer?

[clambake]

Why? Because you demand an answer?

that's right, mother er, he does!

[Phenomanul]

Why? Because you demand an answer?

Curiosity? Because he's the only President that I know of to publically do so while the cameras were rolling... was he making a statement?

[Cry Havoc]

Curiosity? Because he's the only President that I know of to publically do so while the cameras were rolling... was he making a statement?

So you're equivocating your curiosity with a need, now? Interesting.

By the way, I have to applaud you. For someone who's so concerned about the partisanship of this forum, you've certainly done a lot to elevate the discussion to something more worthwhile.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you make a loud beeping noise when you back up like that, Phenom?

[Phenomanul]

So you're equivocating your curiosity with a need, now? Interesting.

What do you mean now??? I stated so in the first couple of posts... But no, 'Obama is above reproach and his actions shalt not be questioned ever"... his apologists spelled that out pretty clearly by embodying indignation at the mere suggestion that such a deviation merited an explanation... Even though I stated by the second or third post, that my question itself was fairly innocuous... of course that wasn't enough for them.

By the way, I have to applaud you. For someone who's so concerned about the partisanship of this forum, you've certainly done a lot to elevate the discussion to something more worthwhile.

I don't vote along a straight-party ticket.... never have. So I don't recourse to arguing along those lines either.

So what do you want to talk about?

I believe that anthropomorphic global warming has been a political agenda for several years now. As such, I believe that cap & trade policies are detrimental to the economic stability of our energy sector...

I believe in the sanc y of life.

As a citizen I believe that I have the right to lobby and influnce the law-making process in favor of my beliefs just as you or any other citizen has the same right to lobby likewise for theirs.

I can argue the points without having to resort to name calling certain party representatives, or slinging mud... unfortunately, many here are unable to do so....

[Phenomanul]

Do you make a loud beeping noise when you back up like that, Phenom?

Do you like topling over along with your strawmen?

Your persistence is the stuff of legend around these parts... for good or bad unfortunately.

For the last time... I don't care about what you or anyone else wishing to cling to your strawman do during the Pledge of Allegiance. I certainly care what my Head of State does during his. Comprende amigo?

[ChumpDumper]

But you care about what everybody does. You said so. Comprende amigo?

[clambake]

you should take a break from this disaster.

call it a sabbatical.

[Phenomanul]

But you care about what everybody does. You said so. Comprende amigo?

I believe you're stuck on the wrong track. Your misinterpretation of my comment does little to explain why Obama deviated from a pretty standard tradition... but keep repeating that track. The more you do, the more my point is strengthened....

In fact... find some other way to play around with my words, twist them and hurl them back at me somehow... You did in fact admit to being quite the semantical freak. See, unlike your assertions, that one isn't subject to interpretation.

[clambake]

oh, you want to change it to standard. got it.

[ChumpDumper]

I believe you're stuck on the wrong track. Your misinterpretation of my comment does little to explain why Obama deviated from a pretty standard tradition... but keep repeating that track. The more you do, the more my point is strengthened....

I believe you were stuck on the wrong track, then you tried to back out of it.

Beeeeeeep-beeeeeeeep-beeeeeeep-beeeeeep

The more you try to back up, the more my point is strengthened

[Ignignokt]

I believe you were stuck on the wrong track, then you tried to back out of it.

Beeeeeeep-beeeeeeeep-beeeeeeep-beeeeeep

The more you try to back up, the more my point is strengthened

He's a roadrunner?

[lefty]

This was written by Sherry Hackett, Buddy Hackett's widow........

"WE NOTICED"

President Obama:

Today I read of your administrations' plan to re-define September 11 as a National Service Day.

Sir, it's time we had a talk.........

During your campaign, Americans watched as you made mockery of our tradition of standing and crossing your heart when the Pledge of Allegiance was spoken.

You, out of four people on the stage, were the only one not honoring our tradition.

YES, "We noticed."

During one of your many speeches, Americans heard you say that you intended to visit all 57 states. We all know that Islam, not America has 57 states.

YES, "We noticed."

When President Bush leaned over at Ground Zero and gently placed a flower on the memorial, while you nonchalantly tossed your flower onto the pile without leaning over.

YES, "We noticed."

Every time you apologized to other countries for America's position on an issue we have wondered why you don't share our pride in this great country. When you have heard foreign leaders berate our country and our beliefs, you have not defended us. In fact, you insulted the British Crown beyond belief.

YES, "We noticed."

When your pastor of 20 years, "God-damned America" and said that 9/11 was “ America's chickens coming home to roost" and you denied having heard recriminations of that nature, we wondered how that could be. You later disassociated yourself from that church and Pastor Wright because it was politically expedient to do so.

YES, "We noticed."

When you announced that you would transform America , we wondered why. With all her faults, America is the greatest country on earth. Sir, KEEP THIS IN MIND, "if not for America and the people who built her, you wouldn't be sitting in the White House now." Prior to your election to the highest office in this Country, you were a senator from Illinois and from what we can glean from the records available, not a very remarkable one.

YES, "We noticed."

All through your campaign and even now, you have surrounded yourself with individuals who are basically unqualified for the positions for which you appointed them. Worse than that, the majority of them are people who, like you, bear no special allegiance, respect or affection for this country and her traditions.

YES, "We noticed."

You are nine months into your term and every morning millions of Americans wake up to a new horror heaped on us by you. You seek to saddle working Americans with a health care/insurance reform package that, along with cap and trade, will bankrupt this nation.

YES, "We noticed."

We seek, by protesting, to let our representatives know that we are not in favor of these crippling expenditures and we are labeled "un-American", "racist". We wonder how we are supposed to let you know how frustrated we are. You have attempted to make our protests seem isolated and insignificant. Until your appointment, Americans had the right to speak out.

YES, "We noticed."

On September 11, 2001 there were no Republicans or Democrats, only Americans. And we all grieved together and helped each other in whatever way we could. The attack on 9/11 was carried out because we are Americans...

And YES, "We noticed."

There were many of us who prayed that as a black president you could help unite this nation. In nine months you have done more to destroy this nation than the attack on 9/11. You have failed us.

YES, "We noticed."

September 11th is a day of remembrance for all Americans. You propose to make 9/11 a "National Service Day". While we know that you don't share our reverence for 9/11, we pray that history will report your proposal as what it is...a disgrace.

YES, "We noticed."

You have made a mockery of our Cons ution and the office that you hold. You have embarrassed and slighted us in foreign visits and policy.

YES, "We noticed."

We have noticed all these things. We will deal with you. When Americans come together again, it will be to remove you from office. Take notice.

Failure is not falling down, but refusing to get up."

So, to sum things up, Sherry Hacket is a giant .

Nothing valid, move along

[ChumpDumper]

He's a roadrunner?

That would be a shorter Beep-beep.

[Phenomanul]

oh, you want to change it to standard. got it.

What are you still doing here? I thought we established you added no meaningful value to the discussion...

go on... scatttt....

[clambake]

when are you going to put it in drive?