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I especially noted the win% of 72.7 = 59 to 60 regular season.
Statistically...that'll get you in the playoffs. And if he can maintain the averages...it would (again statistically) help get the team through.
Good enough for me.
More statistical nerdery. The Spurs are actually better defensively with Bonner on the court. This is just a statistical observation and should not be taken as me trying to say that Bonner is a great defender. Or even a good one.
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I especially noted the win% of 72.7 = 59 to 60 regular season.
Statistically...that'll get you in the playoffs. And if he can maintain the averages...it would (again statistically) help get the team through.
Good enough for me.
I've always wondered why more spurstalkers didn't appreciate Bonner for being an overachiever for the Spurs, rather than lamenting what he's not.
+1 for your overall analysis.
Bonner is the invisible Larry Bird.
Except that's it's easy to spot him because of his stupid flashy red hair
I'd say lucky.
The +/- numbers can be misleading
Maybe the +338 and current +43 have more to do with who he's been on the court with.
Yeah, he can knock down open shots, but when you see his rebounding and D, he is not championship material
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can't matt bonner just be our big man version of steve kerr and leave it at that? offense from outside, occasional solid rebounding and occasional solid defense given the right matchup. thats all we need from him! we really shouldn't be asking him to guard players like dirk for extended periods of time anyways. why the did we get dice and ratliff?? on a side note, i hope timmy is schooling dejuan on the finer points of D so that young man can use that wingspan to its full potential. just saying.
He's more lucky than good, though he is useful as a 15-20 mpg bench player. I say that because he's one dimensional and isn't above (if he even is at all) average in a single other category.
This is a myth. In '99 and '03 they won with Robinson and Rose, then in '05 they won with Mohammed and Horry and finally in '07 with Oberto and Horry. Out of those bigs, only Horry was a legit 3 point threat. But in reality, he was more clutch than efficient (.341 regular season / .359 playoff 3 point percentage) from 3. I'm not saying it doesn't help, for obvious spacing purposes, to have a 3 point shooting big next to Duncan, but it's also not a necessity, nor has it been the way the Spurs have generally operated.
He's good at flinging the 3 when there is another big on the floor to command the double and to rebound the ball. He is atrocious in the small lineup.
Well, its clear to say that the Spurs are that much better when he is playing at his best. The numbers dont lie, Ask Jay-Z. Matt Bonner has always been a good role player, better yet, the best of his kind, especially on Offense! The thing that does not factor PER is Defense! Which he lacks! But I wouldnt want to see Bonner in another Uniform, because the only thing that holds the Red Rocket back is Bonner! I feel he still has Pop on his mind because he doesnt want to mess up and he constantly puts pressure on himself that does not need to be there! To see him score 22 pts is not a surprise! To see him block KG or grab 12 boards is a Surprise! I feel he still has much to improve to Round his Game into a really really good player!
I still would trade Bonner. Too short to contribute on the defensive end. If his shot isnt falling or hes not getting looks then he is a liability.
Bonners trade value is as high as it ever has been in his career. Im happy for him and am glad to see his is earning respect here on Spurstalk but I really dont see us winning the championship with Bonner getting major minutes....
Bonner can be a great player coming from the bench, knocking down 3's and even making decent/average defense, even if his rebounding seems a desperate cause.
but the bif IF for him will be his ability to contribute in the PO. he failed last year and till he proves people wrong, Bonner will face some legit scepticism.
i guess that most of the fans would be happy if Bonner could put the same kind of numbers in PO than in RS in a 15 mpg role. i would.
It seems like the only person who expects him to guard the great PFs of the game and to rebound and D-up as well as Ratliff and Dice is the head coach. He just lets David West, Dirk, and the like dominate him. His being put in those situations is what gets fans frustrated. Lower expectations = less frustration.
WHo would you trade him for?
If his shot isn't falling then he doesn't get minutes which is the way he been played recently.
If he gets major minutes on off games then yes, but if he is on fire then what better compliment to Tim then a three point marksman...given he isn't a total mismatch on defensive.
I think Pop has figured out how to play him.
Good enough to be a bench player.
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I think Pop knows when to use him. If he's hitting the three, the Spurs are a very tough team to beat. He spreads the court for the slashers and since he's a 40% 3pt shooter, he should have a very good +/-.
But if he isn't hitting or being aggressive, there is no point for him to be out there. McDyess, Blair, and Ratliff are superior at all the other facets of the game.
oh boy,
hollinger? i hate hollinger
Interesting note on Bonner's season so far. He's averaging 2 less minutes per game, which puts him on pace to lose 150-200 minutes for the entire regular season combined. However, he's on pace to shoot 100+ MORE three-pointers than he did last year (268 last year vs. on pace to shoot 372 this year). If he somehow manages to continue shooting 47.3% from 3-point range (vs. 44.0% last year), I don't think many of us will be complaining.
(To put this in perspective, this isn't very likely. At last year's 44%, Bonner had the 90th best 3-point shooting season in the history of the NBA. 47% would be the 24th best season ever.)
We have the pieces to assure he's open night in and out. He could do it.
I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm just saying it's unlikely. Then again, for his career so far, he is the 12th best 3-point shooter in NBA history.
Bonner brings it 100% every game. Horry would only bring it 1/4 of the season.
He coasted all season long. Bonner is giving it his all. I for one like him quite a bit. I enjoy watching him play. Sure he misses a few defensive assignments, but its still early in the season. Give him time and he will get better. He is up there with George Hill in importance for this team.
It looks to me like Bonner has put effort in the gym and off the court and it could not happen to a nicer man and he can be an effective 6th-9th man part of this team. I am most happy with his effort on the boards recently - wonder if Blair is pushing him as the new kid on the block to work on what was the worst part of his game?
I didn't say you said he can't do it ..
No worries, just clarifying.I didn't say you said he can't do it ..
Matty B is just lucky
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