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Leave the intelligent conversation to the professionals, kid.
As far as my post about teleportation, its true it destroy's the origional matter and "replicates" it at another location....
Still, that is a feat in and of itself..... It's a breakthrough.... It wasnt too long ago that ANY type of teleportation was the stuff of Sci/Fi (see Star Trek). Now its a viable science.
thats my point. People said it was impossible.
the whole point of my post was not to argue weather aliens exists or weather we can all say "beam me up", but to argue that just because we dont know something *right now* doesnt mean its not possible in the future.
I still maintain, as well as with plenty of backup from head scientists, that folding space is a THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE means of travel across the cosmos, and to make it even better, it still fits within Einstiens theories.
Can we do it right now? no.
Should we stop trying? no.
the masses can believe what they want, it only takes 1 person to change our collective prospective. See einstein, Gallileo, Arostotle and Socrates for just a few examples.
Last edited by phyzik; 12-01-2009 at 12:09 AM.
folding space to travel is not teleportation though.
True.
Folding space still requires matter to travel from one point to another. Teleportation doesnt require matter to travel.
big difference.
yeah it was random. I was reading about black holes being twisting tears in spacetime and I wondered if we could somehow get through where we would end up. Nowhere? Somewhere else in the universe? A different universe?
Interesting concept, but how? That seems a daunting task, granting I'm no scientist, but I only read about huge objects bending spacetime at all..some scientists theorize that spacetime can be warped to travel faster than the speed of light (since its not limited to the speed of light) while we wouldnt be traveling that fast in our own individual frame of reference.
It's already been proven in our own space program.... It's hard to wrap your head around (including me) but it lends credence that its possible. It all fits within Einsteins theory of relativity as well. Its called time dilation. It's a fact based off of studies on the effects of Astronauts in space. If it can only be sped up significantly without negative effects, thats the only problem we face.
Yeah, I read Dune many years ago, and the whole folding space thing still doesn't seem viable to me. How much space would have to be folded to reach a destination?
I admit I dont understand the inner workings of the theory. From my understanding though the ammount of space doesnt matter, except only in the effect of how much energy is required to fold space. It all comes down to energy from my understanding.
If you can generate enough energy to warp space, you can go anywhere. Of course we dont have anything NEARLY powerfull enough to create such a great ammount of gravity. I dont even think a black hole can reach the ammount of gravity required.
That doesnt mean its impossible.
trying to find it, give me a few.
*edit*
Here is the firs thing that came up, but I swear I read a simpler version of it.
From what I can understand, its not about time, but acceleration. The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time slows down for the individual thats traveling at said speed.
something like that.
I thought I read something that all astronaughts watches, despite being timed with the attomic clock, end up being something like 6 seconds ahead (or behind, cant remember) when they come back or something like that. Cant be sure though. Can anyone else confirm?
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/relativity_worldbook.html
Of course, If your a follower of Mouse, NASA is out to decieve us, so take it for what you will.
Last edited by phyzik; 12-01-2009 at 12:29 AM.
The only thing keeping us from going faster than the speed of light is a power source...
the universe has no speed limit.
So if one could bend spacetime and travel through it, they could possibly travel faster than light. Without bending space, its impossible. Only mass and energy distort space.On the other hand, what some physicists refer to as "apparent" or "effective" FTL[1][2][3][4] is the hypothesis that unusually distorted regions of spacetime might permit matter to reach distant locations faster than what it would take light in the "normal" route (though still moving subluminally through the distorted region).
Apparent FTL is not excluded by general relativity.
Time for bed.
Last edited by z0sa; 12-01-2009 at 12:39 AM. Reason: Only mass AND energy distort space
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Wrong again Monkeyboy.
Goodnight....
I like where this discussion is going, we averted a huge flame war!
Hope to continue the discussion tomorrow.
Certainly I dont believe all of the theories, but some of the guys coming up with them are right up their with Einstien and alot of their theories at least fit within his Relativity theory.
from what i understand, its infinite, but the universe could easily be round just as we believe its flat.
the universe could be round, but as it expands, it looks flatter and flatter like we perceive earth to be when we look toward the horizon.
a black hole could very well be a "hole to china," but that's merely speculation.
Interesting concept, but how? That seems a daunting task, granting I'm no scientist, but I only read about huge objects bending spacetime at all..
they're still trying to figure that out, and i don't know crap compared to all the physicists who postulate day in and out on how to make it work.
as scientists discover more and more about virtual particles and how quantum mechanics influence them, they also figure out ways to manipulate them within their relationship to spacetime.
for example, scientists have discovered that virtual particles spontaneously appear and disappear out of nothing.
perhaps spacetime could be warped by other means than throwing a chunk of matter in it but by manipulating the composition of it.
This is the part that Space folding focuses on.... If Light is the limit of speed in the universe, and it can bend, what else can be bent?Distortions in space-time
Einstein translated this principle into mathematical terms in his general theory of relativity. In this theory, matter and energy distort (change the shape of) space-time, and the distortion is experienced as gravity. A more common -- but less precise -- way of explaining the distortion is "Mass curves space."
Einstein suggested that astronomers could make certain observations to test the general theory of relativity. The most dramatic of these would be a bending of light rays by the sun's gravitation. In relativity, mass and energy are equivalent; and, because light carries energy, it also is affected by gravity. The light-bending effect is small, but Einstein calculated that it could be observed during a solar eclipse. In 1919, the British astronomer Arthur S. Eddington observed it, thereby making Einstein world-famous.
Not to derail the thread, but has anyone heard of the Technological Singularity? And if so, what are your thoughts?
We are reaching a point of such accelleration of technological advances, its almost mind boggling. Think back just 15 years ago and where we where at with technology, then think back the last 100 years+ before that. We are advancing at such an accellerated rate, its pretty crazy and at the same time, exciting.
I know alot of people wouldnt want to live forever (they have their reasons) but it seems to me that it just might happen if technology continues to advance at the rate its currently going. Maybe even within the next 20 years.
Last edited by phyzik; 12-01-2009 at 12:46 AM.
You are such an asshole.
I am fully aware of Einstein's theories. I read most of his publications and speeches when I was a teenager.
Obviously, I believe Einstein is wrong. Faster than light travel is entirely possible, and in fact, the speed of light IS NOT constant.
For your info, some scientists a few years ago said they proved that the speed of light has been changing, that it is not a constant.
Light is not the speed limit.
If you and all my friends got together, and we all ran a race.
and someone came and saw us running. and noticed I am the fastest runner by a good margin.
He then declared that no man can ever run faster than me. I am the speed limit to human running.
Do you see where this is going? The universe has no speed limit because it is a VACUUM, light is only the fastest thing we have observed so far, but it does NOT mean "that's it, this is the fastest. no particle may go faster!"
The universe doesn't care about such ultimatums, strict rules confined by human brains.
Think about it
Does it make ANY sense to declare the speed of light as some sort of wall to speed in a vacuum?
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 12-01-2009 at 12:51 AM.
I know what your getting at, thats why I used the subjective word of "IF".
I dont believe it is either.
Plus, einstein got several things wrong.
His greatest accomplishment was e=mc2, which by the way, he STOLE. he was NOT the first to discover it, he stole it from his idol, the man he looked up to..... but he sure did get all the credit.
so to act liek z0sa, and use his work as a Bible is wrong.
Even if he stole it, it still doesnt diminsh the effect it has had on our understanding of how things work.
I May not agree with alot of things but E=mc2 is still the best we have, regardless of who came up with it.
Yeh, i'm just telling z0sa.
He used relativity theory as a Bible against what I said, which is ignorant.
by the way, I will say that I admired Einstein for standing up to the fraud who poisoned us with the Big Bang Theory.
A Priest who polluted science with a 'moment of creation', Einstein saw right through him.
which will tell you I also think the Big Bang is wrong.
the theory of general relativity requires that the universe is expanding (V=HD).
whats the Cosmic Microwave Background?
where did the universal elements of hydrogen and helium come from? (fusion in stars creates the rest)
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