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He can't "step his game up" for a contender if he's having big injury problems..it's physically impossible..
Why do the Spurs love going after ty overpaid SF? 14M for now 10+M for Prince.What a joke.
He can't "step his game up" for a contender if he's having big injury problems..it's physically impossible..
learn to read. they are not going after him read what hollinger wrote....Why do the Spurs love going after ty overpaid SF? 14M for now 10+M for Prince.
Too expensive and too broken but I'm a big fan, he is a very very clever player. I think pop would love to have this kind of player but not this year.
I don't approve of trading for anything short of a true big (6'10 or above) who can excel on the defensive end. Even then, don't know; depends on who we would give up.
Soto a Prince acquisition thru trade.
if the spurs can do that, i rather they put bonner in mahinmi's body. or maybe blair in mahinmi's body... oh oh oh duncan in mahinmi's body
The better chance to win another couple of rings in the next 3 years isn't here.Duncan isn't going to be as great forever.IMo this year is our last chance in more than a couple of years.
We needed the best PF of the history to win the first tle in 25 years so if we are realistic it's going to be hard to win more tles.See what happen in Houston after Olajuwon even when they were lucky in the NBA draft.What can I say of Chicago even when they had 2 first pick in the NBA draft (Brand & Rose)
There are not a lot of Duncans.We were lucky to have him here.
Prince looks washed up this year. And doesn't he have a bad back?
So no Prince (salary way too high for an injured player, I'd rather have Caron Butler at that price).
No Battier (Rockets won't give him up, though they have a lot of SF's);
who should we (could we) get to replace Bogans as the starter?
All I can think of is Salmons, but I don't know if the Bulls would part with him.
Maybe Hairston will blow up in Austin and they'll give him more play with the Spurs; he already knows the system and would adjust more quickly.
Hairston isn't going to get a chance this year..
a deal for Salmons/Thomas would fill in 2 needs..
I'd still rather get a big over anything else though..
precisely. people's complaints about him are the same they had about Bowen. Now that Bowen's gone, people have conveniently forgotten they complained about him, too.
The better chance to win another couple of rings in the next 3 years isn't here.Duncan isn't going to be as great forever.IMo this year is our last chance in more than a couple of years.
We needed the best PF of the history to win the first tle in 25 years so if we are realistic it's going to be hard to win more tles.See what happen in Houston after Olajuwon even when they were lucky in the NBA draft.What can I say of Chicago even when they had 2 first pick in the NBA draft (Brand & Rose)
There are not a lot of Duncans.We were lucky to have him here.
epic post.
Exactly. ESPN "reports" Prince is being shopped, then slips in the fact that some random fan asked Hollinger (of all people) if he would fit on the Spurs. ESPN has no journalistic integrity at all.Wait, so the whole rumor is based on someone asking Hollinger in chat whether the Spurs would want him? WTF?
A bad defensive player who can't shoot?
Actually, it does kind of sound like Prince.
ehhh..... hope it doesnt happen, but if it does I'd welcome him. Nothing us fans can do about it except support the team.
If it happens, Ideally keep him on the sidelines until he recovers and hope he steps it up come playoffs.
again, hope it doesnt happen.
The type of mileage he's got would make a pornstar blush; Manu's already got that covered..
Sefolosha looked pretty good as a defender last night, though I doubt the Thunder would part with him (and I know nothing of the rest of his game).
I guess it is true that Bogans is a really good deal, and any offense we get from him is a bonus.
No, but thanks.
its not a rumor if the "rumor" was a question from an internet q&a session. Prince aint happening
Sefolosha is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and, seemingly at least, a key cog to Presti's program moving forward; he's basically their Bowen. I don't see him going anywhere..
The Thunder actually remind me a bit of the Jordan Bulls in the way they're able to defend and play interchangeable roles on both ends. I just don't see the need for the dominant post-scorer some have mentioned. I'd either hope Krstic could be a Purdue/Wennington/Longley-type or go the Chandler route they almost went before being scared off by the physical; Presti's definitely got something going there..
Tay to the Spurs? I don't see it. Don't see any pieces Joe would want to take in exchange. And doing a quick browse through this thread, it looks like this is just some garbage Hollinger threw against the wall anyway. No substance.
But I do expect Tay to be dealt. Dumars finally came out today and made a few comments that he will look at possible trade options before the deadline.
I'll go ahead and play Hollingers game though. Would he fit on the Spurs? Sure he would. Mostly because of his IQ. He was/is the smartest player the Pistons had during our run. He'd also be a favorite of Pop's because of his versatility. He can play 4 positions. Very good in the point forward role. He'd love him for his small ball lineups. He can hit the open 3 that is a staple of Spurs ball. He can back players down and hit his lefty hook in the middle of the lane. He's a great finisher on the break.
Another key for the Spurs with Tay, is that he is a role player. He'd be a great 3rd or 4th option behind the Spurs key players. The mistake many have made ... myself included ... was having too high expectations. After his 2nd or 3rd year we kept expecting him to develop into something more. But really he sort of plateaued, but stayed very consistent. He is who he is. When we needed him at times in the post season to be more of a first or second option, he struggled. Missed open shot after open shot. Some of that is due to him constantly covering the primary scorer. He expends a ton of energy on the defensive side, and he's not really great at any one thing offensively as it is. Versatile, yes. But no real go to ability that is going to more often than not equate into points.
He got far too much hype for 'the block'. It seems like Doug Collins mentions it in every game he covers. So in some regards he is over-rated. And he may not completely be worth his contract. But I also don't think it's all that unreasonable. He's a good defender overall. Works hard and uses his length and smarts well. But he's not a shut-down type of guy. He was at his best defensively when a dominant Ben Wallace controlled the lane. As long as there was a no fly zone, and players were forced to be more perimeter oriented against us he was able to smother players at times with those go go gadget arms. But once Ben left, the red carpet was put out for players to drive the lane against us. It was easier to go through Prince when there was no one helping out. Not to mention his slim frame giving him difficulties against thicker SF's like Lebron and Pierce who he faced so much ... especially in the playoffs. If the team defense can keep guys out of the paint, Tay is a great man defender. But without that deterrent, he's just slightly above average.
He's got alot of miles on his legs for only being 29. We never had a legitimate backup for him, and coaches loved his IQ and versatility so much that they always wanted him on the floor. It'd be good for anyone that had him to try to limit his minutes to 30 or less. I'm a big Tay fan. But maybe it's time for him to go. He might do well with a change. It may re-invigorate him to go to a new city and accept a new challenge. He brings a lot to a team IMO.
And all this 'Tay is done' and 'broke down' talk is silly. Prior to this years ruptured disk that came out of no where, he held the active record for consecutive games played. 6 straight years of playing 82 games + an ungodly number of playoff games. And I remember them saying, last year or the year before, something about no player has played in more post season games in their first xx-number of years in the L. He's been incredibly healthy and extremely consistent up to this point in his career. You always know what you're going to get from Prince. 14pts 5rbs 3asts 45.00FG% 35.003PTFG% and he'll guard the main scorer of the opposing team.
I agree with just about everything you posted. My concern is the mileage he's had, which you rightly noted, and that this ruptured disc is only a sign of things to come; he's looked worn down the last two years come the playoffs.
I obviously don't get to see him on a consistent basis and am forced to make a judgment from what I've seen and the current state he's in; there's no doubt he'd be a great fit if the Spurs were getting a 'whole' player. If a change of scenery is all he would need to be reinvigorated and get back to the player he was, I'd seriously entertain taking on the salary; after I'd exhausted opportunities to address more glaring needs, that is..
Once again, a move that's a couple of years too late.
What's next? Lindsay Hunter and Jerry Stackhouse?
Can't add much more to what P<S said, he basically summed it all up. Now for all the Spurs fans who are saying we want something better well most teams won't give up their good players just for the of it.
If I were the Spurs I might take the risk because the team might be able to have a serious chance to beat L.A. with Tayshaun. I don't know why the Pistons would do this trade though.
Draft picks-Spurs always have a good record
Dejuan Blair-first of all Spurs wouldn't do this but the Pistons already have a bunch of tough,undersized big men.
Like most of you have said though...this is Hollinger speaking.
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