Wojnarowski: Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire

[HarlemHeat37]

The Raptors aren't going to do anything with Bosh until the Summer, and they certainly won't move him for Parker..they can get better offers..

Parker is also a better player than Amare, so pass..

[objective]

They wouldn't have the MLE if they were under the cap.

my mistake, forgot all about that.

[DesignatedT]

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

parker isnt a problem.

amare would improve the defense just by making it bigger and more athletic.

anything but small ball would improve this defense. The D is never going to get back to what it was. NEVER. but with Amare he can help anchor the D a little, help on the board, and we still get very good offensive production.

i still wouldnt want to give manu away. but id listen.

[Blackjack]

That wasn't meant to be solely directed to you or as a shot at you (I agree with you).

I know. But seeing as I've been talking about it and just wrote a piece on it, I felt compelled to comment.

I doubt the Raptors do that trade. If they can't keep Bosh, my guess is he's dealt in an off season sign-and-trade for a true center, so that they can move Bragnani to his rightful position: powerless forward. Besides, there's no chance the limelight-seeking-wanting-to-play-on-a-contender Stoudemire would sign with a Raptors team with no shot at competing for a championship in the foreseeable future.

My comment was pretty tongue-in-cheek, but if they acquired, extended and them flipped him to Toronto (a team that has little-to-no say in what they get back with Bosh being UFA), I'd be in favor of the trade; Bosh comes to SA and the Spurs get over on Amar'e once again.

The Spurs need a defensive presence, with length (minimum 6'11''), who can guard the rim, block shots and rebound the ball. Not another player who needs the ball to be effective. This is why Camby or Haywood is ideal. They fit the description of what the Spurs need and they'd both stay out of Duncan's way offensively (Camby in particular, as he's a decent passer from the high post and can make the occasional mid-range jumper).

They'd be two solid upgrades to the team, but I don't think Camby will be moved and the Spurs would likely have to take on Blatche's contract as well; which would really gut the team's three-point shooting.

What I take from this article (which pleases me) is that, like it says, the Spurs realize they have to do something (and probably will), mainly on the front line, but I don't take from it at all that they're getting Stoudemire (even though that's the basis of the article). I'd be beyond shocked if that occurred.

I agree. And I don't think we can look at any examples to the past and say they will or won't do something based off of it. This is the closest we've ever seen to panic-mode from the Spurs and it's perfectly understandable: they're investing more money than they ever had and they've got a short window to make good on the investment.

Like I just said to a friend, looks like it's going to be a fun trade deadline for once (somewhat enjoyable in it's novelty and depressing in it's reality).

[blkroadrunners]

I've read through the threads and no one has addressed Stoudamire's need to have the ball. And who is going to get him the ball? TP doesn't play well off pick-n-roll right as it is. Are the Spurs expecting Stoudamire to be as effective in a Spurs uniform as he is with Nash as a running mate? I think not.

Manu-to-STAT duo would work, especially through P&R just like Blair, but that's only assuming Manu's not part of the deal.

[Shastafarian]

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

Why would the Suns take Parker when they have Nash and Dragic? And no they wouldn't include Dragic.

[Kori Ellis]

Sign Stoudamire and add yet another horrific defender to this team? Why? The Spurs certainly need an athletic big next to Duncan, but they need to shore up their incredible defensive woes too..

Maybe they have conceded that the D isn't going to get better.. so they might as well try to outscore people

[timvp]

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires

No way you trade Parker for Amare. TP, when healthy, is better now and has a brighter future.

And while TP isn't a franchise player like TD, he's closer to being a franchise player than Amare is.

[ace3g]

well if the Suns are worried about Grant Hill's recent heel injury, they might want someone that has proven to stay healthy his career (Jefferson), a risk you get with Manu.

The Suns already have a lot of PG/SG type players and PF/C but only a couple of true SF.

Like others have said if the Suns asked for Jefferson + Bonner, I would go for it

[admiralsnackbar]

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

Considering that half of shooting is in the legs, I don't think it makes any sense to maintain that Parker's steep decline in production this season can be taken independently from his injuries. People don't just choose to start sucking, y'know?

[FvckMavs]

Well hopefully they push for RJ + Bonner + Splitter... that's an easy decision for the Spurs.

We can give Kerr a Jerry West medal if this goes through.

[FkLA]

parker isnt a problem.

amare would improve the defense just by making it bigger and more athletic.

anything but small ball would improve this defense. The D is never going to get back to what it was. NEVER. but with Amare he can help anchor the D a little, help on the board, and we still get very good offensive production.

i still wouldnt want to give manu away. but id listen.

Are you serious? Parker has been a BIG part of the problem. Like I said he let his shot regress to as bad as its ever been after the improvement last year. His defend is atrocious. He doesnt involve teammates. He's been horrible.

Why would the Suns take Parker when they have Nash and Dragic? And no they wouldn't include Dragic.

Nash is what 35? Its only a matter of time before age catches up to him. Dragic, I know is apparently the heir apparent but there's no guarantee that he'll fill the void respectably. Either way Im just throwing the fact out that Parker is the one we should be looking to move. He has been a big part of the problem and is the player aside from Duncan that will get us the best return in a trade.

[Fpoonsie]

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

Suns have Nash AND Dragic. What use would they have for Parker?

Edit: Whoops...Shasta beat me to it.

[Chieflion]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=980621 -RealGM's take on this article

[Kori Ellis]

Trading Parker to the Suns wouldn't make sense for the Suns or the Spurs. And yes, Tony has been part of the problem this year but to think his decline is because of anything other than injury is a bit odd.

[SenorSpur]

I'd rather have Brendon Haywood.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Suns have said they are looking for three things if they are going to trade Amare:

1) Expiring Contract
2) Talent
3) Picks

1) should more accurately read,

1) Salary cap relief.

Both are not the same. The Suns already have their best expiring contract in Amar'e "Stat"/"Sun Tzu".

They want someone who can help in getting 1) and also contribute to the Gentry offense in the future.

I am not sure about either Manu or RJ being best bets for the same; but Manu is definitely not a slam dunk choice for the Suns.

[Allanon]

spurs wont give up manu+hill. you can book that.

Spurs will have to give up some young talent with Manu to make this work.

I think Blair's lack of ACL's probably doesn't fit the Suns run and gun.

That leaves Hill and Splitter...both of whom would do well in the Suns style and both are cheap.

RJ's $15 million next year pretty much kills any team looking at the 2010 free agents so he's very difficult to move.

[completely deck]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=980621 -RealGM's take on this article

I love how the Suns fans are insisting Blair is in the mix.

[ezau]

Stupid idea. Most of Amare's points come from an elite passer in Steve Nash. Without a guy who would give him easy looks, how is he going to score? Also, he's just going to take touches off Duncan. Stupid idea actually. I'd rather have them go out and get Haywood or Camby.

[Libri]

The Suns are balking at paying Amare $17 million for 21 points and 9 rebounds.

They would probably faint looking at RJ's $15 million next year for 13 points.

I think a possible interest package from the Suns would be some thing like Manu + Hill + filler + cash...$arver always asks for cash.

RJ went from 20 points last season to 13 points this season. The Suns should be aware that Jefferson is underachieving and not fitting in with the Spurs. They may believe that RJ could thrive in their style of game.

[HarlemHeat37]

It really would be funny if Kerr was a Spurs mole all along..

Pop and Timmy should just take him out to dinner, give him a wink about taking RJ's contract, sell him on the Arizona connection, and dead it..

It would also be even funnier to see the reactions of Suns fans..just looking at RealGM, they're already panicking about imagining Amare on the Spurs..

[DesignatedT]

RJ BLAIR SPLITTER for amare? yes or no? who would do it

[Spursfanfromafar]

RJ went from 20 points last season to 13 points this season. The Suns should be aware that Jefferson is underachieving and not fitting in with the Spurs. They may believe that RJ could thrive in their style of game.

Exactly.

Channing Frye went from 4.2 pts + trash (10.0 PER) in Nate McMillan's immacu'nate' offense to 12 pts/ 44% 3pt/ 14.8 PER) in Gentry's SSOL-II.

[Blackjack]

Hmmm ... this is tough to figure out. Amare is a great scorer who could really help save Duncan from wear and tear. He could basically become the go-to scorer and allow Duncan to rest up for when it really matters. Unlike RJ, Amare is selfish enough that he won't be afraid to "get his" even if he has to step on toes.

If a trade involves RJ and keeps the Big 3 intact, I think you have to pull the trigger. The Suns would obviously want some combination of Hill, Blair and/or Splitter to get the deal done. (Though Hill doesn't make much sense since they have Dragic [who might be better already] and Barbosa. Blair and Splitter make more sense.)

The bonus of trading RJ is that the Spurs could either re-sign Amare or open up room under the salary cap to retain flexibility. That could be valuable, especially if everything goes sour and the Spurs need a major shakeup.

Trading Manu for Amare? That's a different story. Without Manu, integrating Amare on the team would be much more difficult since Manu and Amare would be the most natural two-man game. Plus I highly doubt RJ could step into Manu's role as the team's go-to swingman. If anything, RJ would find even less touches with Amare in the picture.

The only way a Manu package makes sense to me is if Manu gets hurt again or if the Spurs really think that Manu is on his final leg and won't make it through the playoffs. If either are the case, swinging for the fences by trading for Amare makes sense -- especially since the window is quickly closing.

Solid breakdown.

Yeah, my tune changes if it's RJ that's involved. And, as much as it makes sense for the Spurs, putting RJ in that system, in his hometown, wouldn't be as outlandish as it first seems; his game would definitely thrive playing alongside Nash and serve to benefit the team, while also giving them an out with his expiring contract after next year.

And if they can get him without giving up any of the Big 3 or Hill, I think you've got to take your chances; besides being a potential star, he's their only perimeter defender with a good enough game to warrant significant minutes. You add someone like Amar'e to the mix and you're going to have to acquire and/or start playing your best defenders on the wing (there's some dude on the Toro's that comes to mind).

While I wouldn't want the Spurs locked into a max-type deal with Amar'e, it's hard not to see how well he and Manu would mesh and how he'd ease the scoring burden of the Big 3 in the short-term (I do love players that get to the line and can rack up fouls); it'd be nice if they could give it a go this year and enter the Bosh sweepstakes next.

This is just ridiculous..