Knicks to get T-Mac (2 First Round picks included)

[djohn2oo8]

haha i guess bro. guess youre happy with being a team full of role players and never going anywhere. i'd rather gamble than sit through another ty mediocre season. im tired of this BS from the rockets

Gamble on what? You win championships through building in the draft.

We are thinking long -term here

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Gamble on what? You win championships through building in the draft.

We are thinking long -term here

Like someone said, this deal is only good if the picks are good. If somehow the knicks don't land a big free agent and continue to suck... We get a nice lotto pick. Added to that, you have to pick young talent and buildthem up and even then that takes years plus you don't even know if he is a bust until two years down the road. So we basically have a hit or miss on getting a nice lotto pick and a hit or miss on drafting a half decent player. That's more of a gamble to me than going out in the free agency looking to pick up known players. If the picks don't work out, we'll not only waste 7mil by picking up jeffries, we waste time developing young talent

[djohn2oo8]

Like someone said, this deal is only good if the picks are good. If somehow the knicks don't land a big free agent and continue to suck... We get a nice lotto pick. Added to that, you have to pick young talent and buildthem up and even then that takes years plus you don't even know if he is a bust until two years down the road. So we basically have a hit or miss on getting a nice lotto pick and a hit or miss on drafting a half decent player. That's more of a gamble to me than going out in the free agency looking to pick up known players. If the picks don't work out, we'll not only waste 7mil by picking up jeffries, we waste time developing young talent

Lotto picks would be great, especially in the top 5. That said, Morey has done a brilliant job with picks that weren't high in the draft.

Aaron Brooks - 26th pick

Carl Landry - Second rounder

Chase Budinger - 2nd rounder

And those picks may be used in a sign and trade for Bosh in the summer

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

When did I ever say anything about Scola signing for the MLE? I said we could re-sign him for whatever it takes because we have his bird rights, plus we would have the MLE in addition to spend. that wouldn't happen if we were to let McGrady expire

Houston would still have Scola's bird rights if they let Mcgrady expire; + 7 milion in cap space to spend.

The Rockets could use that cap space BEFORE re-signing Scola/Lowry if they wanted. Assuming Scola was on board and doesn't go somewhere else.

Look. Free agency begins on what, July 1st? Sign and trade for a 12-13 million player using that 7 mil + Battier/Ariza. Then re-sign Scola using bird rights.

If Houston trades Mcgrady then they're stuck with Jeffries and Hill. So instead of just trading Battier, you would have to Battier/Ariza plus two or three other different contracts to get that 12-13 million player.


The trade currently would SWAP picks in 2011 with the Knicks..so it' s not a free draft pick. If the Knicks sign Lebron + Amare or Bosh they're winning at least 55+ games the next 5 years.

[Pistons < Spurs]

The Knicks and Rockets spoke this morning about a potential Tracy McGrady trade. Sources familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that while the Knicks told the Rockets that they remain interested in acquiring McGrady in a deal for Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries, they are still unwilling to meet all of the Rockets' demands -- cap relief, Jordan Hill, the swapping of 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick.

"We'd like McGrady and the cap relief," one Knicks source said. "But the Rockets are asking for too much. We're willing to pay a premium to make a deal. But the price right now is still too high."

According to the source, the Rockets are still looking for other partners. The Bulls have been mentioned as a possibility, however, sources believe that their offer is less attractive than the Knicks' -- even if the Knicks don't give the Rockets everything they're asking for.

The Knicks also had several other trades brewing on Wednesday. Two sources said the Celtics and Knicks are in advanced talks about a Nate Robinson-for-Eddie House swap. However, both sources stressed that a deal was not completed yet.

The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic-for-Brian Cardinal deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...lkRoundup-2010

[duncan228]

Rockets Leaning Toward Keeping McGrady
SportingNews

It’s been about eight weeks since the Rockets and used-to-be star guard Tracy McGrady parted ways, with Houston vowing to find a trade for McGrady. Over the last few days, a number of scenarios emerged—the most serious involving the Bulls and Knicks—and reports had McGrady’s departure from Houston seeming imminent.

But on Wednesday, sources told SN that the Rockets are now indicating they are leaning toward not trading McGrady—for now, at least. Houston, apparently, is unhappy with the offers it has gotten from the Bulls and the Knicks, which would involve the Rockets taking on too much long-term salary and not getting enough young assets in return.

The Bulls’ offer, reported in the Chicago Tribune, is the expiring contract of center Brad Miller ($12.3 million), plus forward Tyrus Thomas and either John Salmons or Kirk Hinrich. The Rockets don’t want Salmons, who has a player option for next season, and the remainder of Hinrich’s contract (he’s signed for two years after this season, at $17 million combined) is too hefty for the Rockets. The Bulls have been seeking a third team to make the deal work, but a source told SN that those efforts were not getting very far.

The Knicks’ offer centers on the expiring contract of Larry Hughes ($13.6 million), plus Jared Jeffries and a swap of draft picks. Contrary to reports, a source close to the negotiation has told SN that the Knicks have said they won’t part with rookie big man Jordan Hill in the deal, and if the Bulls are unable to sweeten their offer, the Knicks would have no reason to include him, because they’d be essentially bidding against themselves.

Of course, that’s one reason that Houston may be saying it’s going to pull out of McGrady dealings altogether—it’s a good smoke screen to give the Knicks some incentive to include Hill. If the Knicks are not bidding against the Bulls, the Rockets must make it seem that they’re bidding against something, and no deal at all is at least something. It’s no secret that the Knicks are desperate to unload Jeffries, because they would then be likely to have enough cap space this summer to make max-contract offers to two free agents, upping their chances at getting two of the top three (LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh) players on the market this summer.

McGrady’s expiring contract is worth more than $23 million.

[The Franchise]

Just let him expire and don't do the deal. Either the Knicks give what we want or they get nothing. Trying to change the deal at the last minute so that they can try and bend Houston over is unacceptable. We will be ok if the deal goes through or not.

[ffadicted]

Knicks are ing re ed if they don't pull the deal on this and give the Rockets Hill. There's no way they're luring just one superstar over the summer with their ty team. Plus, who knows, maybe McGrady still has something left on the tank in a team willing to play him, and maybe ever resign him over the summer

[djohn2oo8]

Rockets Leaning Toward Keeping McGrady
SportingNews

It’s been about eight weeks since the Rockets and used-to-be star guard Tracy McGrady parted ways, with Houston vowing to find a trade for McGrady. Over the last few days, a number of scenarios emerged—the most serious involving the Bulls and Knicks—and reports had McGrady’s departure from Houston seeming imminent.

But on Wednesday, sources told SN that the Rockets are now indicating they are leaning toward not trading McGrady—for now, at least. Houston, apparently, is unhappy with the offers it has gotten from the Bulls and the Knicks, which would involve the Rockets taking on too much long-term salary and not getting enough young assets in return.

The Bulls’ offer, reported in the Chicago Tribune, is the expiring contract of center Brad Miller ($12.3 million), plus forward Tyrus Thomas and either John Salmons or Kirk Hinrich. The Rockets don’t want Salmons, who has a player option for next season, and the remainder of Hinrich’s contract (he’s signed for two years after this season, at $17 million combined) is too hefty for the Rockets. The Bulls have been seeking a third team to make the deal work, but a source told SN that those efforts were not getting very far.

The Knicks’ offer centers on the expiring contract of Larry Hughes ($13.6 million), plus Jared Jeffries and a swap of draft picks. Contrary to reports, a source close to the negotiation has told SN that the Knicks have said they won’t part with rookie big man Jordan Hill in the deal, and if the Bulls are unable to sweeten their offer, the Knicks would have no reason to include him, because they’d be essentially bidding against themselves.

Of course, that’s one reason that Houston may be saying it’s going to pull out of McGrady dealings altogether—it’s a good smoke screen to give the Knicks some incentive to include Hill. If the Knicks are not bidding against the Bulls, the Rockets must make it seem that they’re bidding against something, and no deal at all is at least something. It’s no secret that the Knicks are desperate to unload Jeffries, because they would then be likely to have enough cap space this summer to make max-contract offers to two free agents, upping their chances at getting two of the top three (LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh) players on the market this summer.

McGrady’s expiring contract is worth more than $23 million.

Smokescreen

[HarlemHeat37]

I still say the Knicks do it..

Guys like McGrady are still popular here..if the Knicks get him, people here WILL go to the games to see him, myself included for a game or 2..

[Pistons < Spurs]

Rockets tried to recruit Kings in T-Mac deal


As talks with the New York Knicks stalled on Wednesday night, the Houston Rockets quietly recruited the Sacramento Kings as part of a three-team trade discussion that would deliver Tracy McGrady(notes) to the Chicago Bulls, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The proposed deal was contingent on John Salmons(notes) staying with the Bulls, but that appeared in doubt with the Milwaukee Bucks expecting to complete their own trade for Salmons.

In the proposed trade, the Rockets would get Kenny Thomas(notes), Andres Nocioni(notes), Beno Udrith and a Kings’ protected No. 1 draft pick. Sacramento would acquire Tyrus Thomas(notes), Brad Miller(notes) and Salmons from the Bulls. The deal would cleare cap space for the Bulls this summer and save the Kings as much as $15 million in salary next year.

One source with knowledge of the Knicks’ talks with the Rockets said New York isn’t enthused about Houston’s demands. The Rockets want to trade first-round picks in 2011 and take the Knicks’ 2012 pick. They also have asked for cash, the source said.

It is unclear whether the Bulls will try to revive talks with the Rockets if they complete their trade with the Bucks. However, Houston clearly is worried about where the discussions with New York are headed as the deadline looms on Thursday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

[djohn2oo8]

Damn. They asked for cash too? Now they are just trying to extort the Knicks