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Yeah, one phenomenal game makes up for his annual disappearance in the play-offs.
You go Chaz!
There's plenty of arbitrary advanced stats that makes him look like too (or at the very best, irrelevant), especially in the playoffs. PER, Winning shares, etc.
Yeah, one phenomenal game makes up for his annual disappearance in the play-offs.
You go Chaz!
Hi Matt,
Instead of making a dozen different usernames and bumping old threads to call out people who have hated on you, can you please go back to the gym and work on boxing out and defending without fouling?
Thanks,
The rest of Spurstalk.
One game is a I told you so? Calm down there grasshopper.
I don't see how one could compare Bonner to Horry/Oberto who have such high basketball IQs and fearlessness/savvy. How many times have we seen Horry take an offensive foul or Oberto cut to the basket for a layup?
I don't care what advanced stats he has or if he's king of the +/-, Bonner doesn't belong on the court during the playoffs unless it's a blowout. And during the regular season, his minutes eat away at Splitter's or Blair's. I'm for Splitter spending as much time as possible acclimating to the Spurs and the NBA. If the Spurs play the Lakers in the playoffs, they'll need Splitter against Gasol/Bynum.
Nah I said he should be starting last season(not even sure if I did, just taking your word that I did say that). This season I'd cry if Bonner started with all the talent we had up front. Mcdyess should be starting right now, and it's not even close. I have not been impressed with Splitter. He moves his feet well on defense and can keep his arms straight up... other than that, I haven't seen much early on.
why are ppl ing about Bonners performance last year??
and why are ppl not mentioning RJ's performance last year anymore???
is it a racist thing or what? it's a new season both should be getting the benefit of the doubt.
Why do people keep trying to use all these oddball stats to prove a player's worth? It's irrelevant, the eyeball test and actual in game performance is all that matters. It's already been proven that Bonner is useful in the regular season to eat minutes and every now and then put up a great shooting performance. He's also been proven completely detrimental in the playoffs where he chokes on his shot. It's a given, has proven true over the entire time he's been here. The guy is consistently inconsistent in the regular season and consistently bad in the playoffs.
With this year's bigman depth I like the idea of putting him in the game late first or early second quarter as a spacing 3 ball shooter, and if he's missing then take him out of the rotation for that game unless he's needed for emergency. Allow him to contribute when his shot is falling but keep him from killing the team when it isn't.
Two things:
1) RJ has been doing it for 9 games consistently now which is looking like a season trend. Bonner had one outstanding game in one chance. He plays 8 more good to great games and it'll be different.
2) RJ had one bad season with the Spurs but very good seasons before that with other teams. Bonner has consistently been the same thing I described above for several years with the Spurs. That is a much stronger trend that likely won't break.
Bonner is having a good season so far. If you are expecting consistent allstar play from Bonner you are in a sad state.
The 7 3s game was a fluke. Do not expect this. Otherwise Bonner has been a decent bench player which is what Pop expects from him.
again, you cannot compare the 2 players talent. One is a near allstar talent, the other is a plain average role player. If Bonner is filling that latter expectation, noone needs to bring up last season and noone needs to about Bonner.2) RJ had one bad season with the Spurs but very good seasons before that with other teams. Bonner has consistently been the same thing I described above for several years with the Spurs. That is a much stronger trend that likely won't break.
We had all the same talent last year, minus Splitter who you are not impressed with. Who exactly are you talking about as all this new "up front talent"?
Bonner has barely played at all this season. How is he having a good season yet?
You're not getting the point. I'm not saying Bonner has to be an all-star or put up RJ numbers, I was saying if he puts up consistently good performances for his standard and helps the team keep winning for 8 more games in a row he'll be viewed differently because a current positive trend will develop. He hasn't played enough yet this season to say he's playing good ball consistently, and since the last several years he's been wildly inconsistent that's what people will expect until proven otherwise.
Hey Matt, I'm feeling hungry ... any sandwich suggestions?
he is rotating on D, hustling on boards, not turning the ball over and shooting a good %. Good season.
the same could be said about RJ, he's had what 8 straight good games? that's not much. let's wait for at least 1/4 of the season then.You're not getting the point. I'm not saying Bonner has to be an all-star or put up RJ numbers, I was saying if he puts up consistently good performances for his standard and helps the team keep winning for 8 more games in a row he'll be viewed differently because a current positive trend will develop. He hasn't played enough yet this season to say he's playing good ball consistently, and since the last several years he's been wildly inconsistent that's what people will expect until proven otherwise.
still ing about Bonner's last season and not doing the same about RJ. is plain silly
I'll say 9 straight good, productive games is a of a lot more indicative of consistently good performance than 2 games weeks apart. That's obvious, how anyone can say otherwise is ludicrous. When Bonner has played 9 straight productive games to his expectation level come back and talk to me.
Thats what concerns me about what I saw last game. It was good that Bonner was hot but we didn't see Splitter at all for the rest of the game untill the last minute of garbage time. Only true way to get a player acclimated is to play him and Splitter needs whatever minutes to get this system down. Not a knock on Bonner, but I'm more worried about Pop. We all know how he easily falls in love with a older player over a younger especially if they can shoot a three-pointer.
I made a joke about it in the game thread saying that Splitter better learn to shoot the three or we may never see him again.
I'm saying neither is a good indicative. Come back and talk to me mid-january at the very least.
Got to love the red rocket! a really solid player
So you're saying that Bonner isn't as bad of a player as we believe because, compared to the big men we've had since Robinson, he actually matches up to most?
Thanks. Great argument. Just kidding, it doesn't work because we all know the Spurs haven't had the best of centers to throw around next to Duncan since David Robinson.
Rasho, Kurt Thomas, Elson, Nazr Mohammed.... most of these guys are scrubs to very average quality players. They bounce around teams throughout the years because they are irrelevant...they aren't good enough to justify keeping around at all costs, and so they get shipped here and there when it makes sense.
McDyess and Oberto are two players that have been pretty solid for the Spurs. Bonner doesn't compare.
He makes threes...whatever. He's a power forward, but he plays with no power. He can't defend, he can't rebound. I'm not attacking him as a player because I know what type of player he is. The type of player Matt Bonner is, is not a very useful one. Very replaceable because all he brings is three pointers, and that's only when he's hot. He doesn't play significant minutes because obviously he is not adequate...otherwise he would play more. Is Brian Scalabrine a useful player???? no, that's why he doesn't play.
Exactly. Those statistics are some of the most-meaningless I've seen around.
And that second paragraph is what I completely agree with in terms of using Bonner. ANYONE who watches the Spurs should be able to tell that Bonner has no worth on the court unless he is knocking down the three. With that said, it isn't extremely often that he's hot, and even when he is, he ins't really bring too much of anything else to the table. So, when considering ALL of the concerns the Spurs need to address throughout the season, including all of the roles needed to be played during the regular season, rebounding, scoring, DEFENSE, and an elevated game during the playoffs...Matt Bonner's role is extremely small. Therefore, he is rather useless. Relatively. He has some use during the regular season, in the long run he's very replaceable.
Offensive rating and defensive rating are meaningless? What's the best stats you want to use to read what a player can do? Are you expecting anyone to ing compare to Robinson?
Exactly. Those statistics are some of the most-meaningless I've seen around.
And that second paragraph is what I completely agree with in terms of using Bonner. ANYONE who watches the Spurs should be able to tell that Bonner has no worth on the court unless he is knocking down the three. With that said, it isn't extremely often that he's hot, and even when he is, he ins't really bring too much of anything else to the table. So, when considering ALL of the concerns the Spurs need to address throughout the season, including all of the roles needed to be played during the regular season, rebounding, scoring, DEFENSE, and an elevated game during the playoffs...Matt Bonner's role is extremely small. Therefore, he is rather useless. Relatively. He has some use during the regular season, in the long run he's very replaceable.
It's rather sad how en led Spurs fans act towards players on our roster. The fact that people were HAPPY Bonner got hurt, consider him a bad player, etc. all just show your true colors. We're not going to get another Robinson anytime soon - especially in this day and age. Good bigs are so few and far between, we watch players like Jermaine O'Neal and Shaq demand huge contracts that they don't deserve. We, as fans of our own team, trash talk and hate on one of the better 3 point shooters in the league.
I don't get the hate for anyone on our roster, and the blame people place on a single player is stupid. Blame the ing front office and coach for not finding adequate talent to place around our trio. Blame them for squandering Scola, or not building Mahinmi or Butler or any of our other "projects."
Bonner can't defend OR play the 5. You want to blame someone for that besides Pop? Blame Tim Duncan. He's the one who doesn't want to be a center. For all the larger players that box out Bonner, there's the smaller PFs that he boxes out. For all the athletic players that blow past him, there's the slower players that he slows down.
But, as it is ...
Actually most small ball power forwards out rebound him. Couple years ago I got a chuckle out of watching Matt Barnes take several rebounds right over the top of him in one game.Offensive rating and defensive rating are meaningless? What's the best stats you want to use to read what a player can do? Are you expecting anyone to ing compare to Robinson?
It's rather sad how en led Spurs fans act towards players on our roster. The fact that people were HAPPY Bonner got hurt, consider him a bad player, etc. all just show your true colors. We're not going to get another Robinson anytime soon - especially in this day and age. Good bigs are so few and far between, we watch players like Jermaine O'Neal and Shaq demand huge contracts that they don't deserve. We, as fans of our own team, trash talk and hate on one of the better 3 point shooters in the league.
I don't get the hate for anyone on our roster, and the blame people place on a single player is stupid. Blame the ing front office and coach for not finding adequate talent to place around our trio. Blame them for squandering Scola, or not building Mahinmi or Butler or any of our other "projects."
Bonner can't defend OR play the 5. You want to blame someone for that besides Pop? Blame Tim Duncan. He's the one who doesn't want to be a center. For all the larger players that box out Bonner, there's the smaller PFs that he boxes out. For all the athletic players that blow past him, there's the slower players that he slows down.
But, as it is ...
Yeah, would have been nice if he could have boxed out Jared Dudley or Ponytail last playoffs.Actually most small ball power forwards out rebound him. Couple years ago I got a chuckle out of watching Matt Barnes take several rebounds right over the top of him in one game.
Exactly. Those statistics are some of the most-meaningless I've seen around.
And that second paragraph is what I completely agree with in terms of using Bonner. ANYONE who watches the Spurs should be able to tell that Bonner has no worth on the court unless he is knocking down the three. With that said, it isn't extremely often that he's hot, and even when he is, he ins't really bring too much of anything else to the table. So, when considering ALL of the concerns the Spurs need to address throughout the season, including all of the roles needed to be played during the regular season, rebounding, scoring, DEFENSE, and an elevated game during the playoffs...Matt Bonner's role is extremely small. Therefore, he is rather useless. Relatively. He has some use during the regular season, in the long run he's very replaceable.
This post pretty much sums up the idiocy of Bonner haters perfectly. Notice the first lines where he disregards fairly hard evidence for literally no reason (apparently, one MUST judge a player by "eyeballing" it, even though that's the very definition of inaccuracy and bias). Then follow the next paragraph as he puts forth a jumbled bit of jargon that's vague, un predictive, and inaccurate.
This response should just be reposted by the Bonner haters over and over.
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