Scola Thread!

[Lars]

Obviously there would of been lingering resentment from Oberto and Gino for him developing first.



(Scola, Oberto, JJ Barea's re ed cousin, ???, Manu, Mexican Lebron)

[Sean Cagney]

Since the day we made the Scola trade we've done nothing but look up at the Rockets in the standings. Just imagine if these weren't the best teams of the Duncan era.

All one has to do is look at Scola's skill set, then look at the skill sets of Dice and Blair and you can easily see what Scola brings that they don't and why Scola would be, "the cure" for small ball.

I'm just glad I'll be able to bandwagon the Rockets in the playoffs this year when the Spurs gets bounced.

We were better than the Rockets in 08, beat them out last year and this year are ahead of them in the standings too, how did we look up at them in the standings exactly? I am still wondering that.

[DAF86]

We were better than the Rockets in 08, beat them out last year and this year are ahead of them in the standings too, how did we look up at them in the standings exactly? I am still wondering that.

Congrats! you just have been trolled.

[DAF86]

You're quite brilliant and I'm impressed with your knowledge of the game and the way players' numbers improve when they come to play for the Spurs. Not only would Scola put up the same numbers he does for the Rockets on the Spurs, he'd likely put up even better numbers. All one needs is a cursory knowledge of the Spurs recent history to make these observations.

You are a true credit to this board and primary reason why it is now an oasis of basketball insight in the virtual desert of internet basketball messageboardery.

I just hope by the time Blair is 26 he'll put up the 6.4 rebounds in 24mpg that Scola put up as a rookie. I know Pop'll play him then even if he doesn't have Scola's speed or defensive and shotblocking ability.

Keep up the good work, and thank God we'll have the Rockets to watch this year when the Spurs lose in the playoffs.

When did I say Scola would be putting the same numbers as a Spur? I guess you miss the part where I said "no matter the stats", Whott.

[Phenomanul]

Scola might not have been a "saviour" but consider this:

His chemistry with Manu would have been off the charts...

His contract was worth Bonner money...

Last but not least, Scola seems to be Kryptonite to Lamar Odom, a guy who has given the Spurs fits over the past few years... He was part of the reason why Houston took the Lakers to 7 games last season...

This...

[WalterBenitez]

I wasnt around this board when Scola was traded.

Why was he traded? Saving money? Pop said he doesnt shoot 3's?

hmmm, speak quietly ... whott is sleeping, you should better not disturbing him.

[argginmanuoblifaniac]

We were better than the Rockets in 08, beat them out last year and this year are ahead of them in the standings too, how did we look up at them in the standings exactly? I am still wondering that.

Good point. For some reason I thought the Rockets have had a better record than the Spurs every year since the Scola trade. Must be a common misconception. There was even a poster in this thread asking the Spurs how Scola's ass tastes, which is kind of an odd thing to ask since in actuality Scola really hasn't done anything but look up the Spurs' asses since the day he entered the league.

When did I say Scola would be putting the same numbers as a Spur? I guess you miss the part where I said "no matter the stats", Whott.

I have no idea why you are saying any of that to me. I like Scola and was not trying to criticize him nor did I think you were. And I agree about Scola's impact going beyond stats. One has only to look at things like on and off court impact as kept by 82games.com to determine that the Rockets are better with Scola on the court than they are with him off of it and see the truth behind that statement. Or for instance the way the Rockets immediately and unquestionably became a better team after signing Scola and it was entirely due to his signing. Or, for another example, the way Caja Laboral has gone to crap since he left them to play for the Rockets. His positive impact on his teams is clearly seen once stats are taken out of the equation.

[kuato]

21/25

[ChumpDumper]

And?

[WalterBenitez]

21/25

Nice numbers, but still in red/white uniform ...

[argginmanuoblifaniac]

And?

Obviously, Scola is always as good as his last good game and has been for his entire career and the Rockets sre undefeated since they traded for him. The point is proven.

Conversely...

Scola does not have bad games, and the Rockets do not have losses. They simply do not exist which is why you never see any posts by his high character and knowledgable fans after he has one or the Rockets lose one. Because he doesn't an d the Rockets never do. If he did that would be factored in to his lifetime 21ppg 25rbg low water mark average and the Rockets would not be coming off 3 consecutive undefeated seasons capped by championships.

It's not that Scola put up 21 and 25, it's that Scola has averaged those numbers up for his entire career and never puts up anything less. And the Rockets never lose.

Eventually you'll figure that Scola never has bad games, only has good ones, and the Rockets never lose, they only win, and stop asking silly questions.

If you want to debate important things let's discuss how Scola was the solution to our defensive size and speed issues with his shotblocking, size, speed and defensive ability and how could the Spurs have been stupid enough to trade him to the now undefeated 3 time defending champion perennial playoff Rockets, when they could have traded him to the annual lottery bound Cavs for 3 or 4 #1 picks.

[argginmanuoblifaniac]

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SimplePlayerMinOwnOppNetOnOffNetRating Dorsey2%12.518.9-6.4+21.2-0.6+21.8+4.9 Lowry41%17.216.4+0.8+5.1-3.9+9.1+4.1 Landry49%23.518.7+4.8+1.4-1.7+3.1+4.1 Martin9%20.011.7+8.3-2.9+0.0-2.9+3.8 McGrady2%14.16.8+7.3-2.1-0.2-1.9+3.6 Budinger37%14.513.7+0.8+0.8-0.8+1.6+1.2 Brooks74%17.517.2+0.3-0.5+0.4-0.9-0.2 Ariza69%13.913.7+0.3-0.5+0.4-0.9-0.2 Scola62%19.118.6+0.5-1.2+1.3-2.5-0.7



Can you imagine how bad all those guys on the Rockets Roland Ratings would be if not for Scola? Especially all those guys(starters) with better ones...

More, just imagine if Scola played with LeBron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard. They'd now have 3 undefeated plus 1 championships instead of merely 3 undefeated championships.

More to the point, TMac and Artest were perennial malcontents who were never satisfied and underachieved until coming under the leadership of Luis "Superglue" Scola, and look at them now. The Rockets are an undefeated 3 time champion Utopia while the Spurs are scratching their heads trying to figure out who to pick with the #1 pick in this years draft.

Just imagine if we added Luis Scola's points and reounds AS WELL AS Jefferson's Milwaukee stats from last year that we directly added to this years team, to the Spurs of this year. . We'd be averaging like 135ppg.

Plus, we wouldn't be playing small ball any longer because Scola is bigger, faster, and a better defender and shotblocker than any big on the Spurs team not named Tim Duncan.

[DAF86]

Scola is bigger, faster, and a better defender and shotblocker than any big on the Spurs team not named Tim Duncan.

That's not true, he's just a better overall player than them.

I recomend you to stop talking about Scola 'cause you have always been wrong about him which leads to you getting owned everytime you do it.

Let's recap some of the predictions you came up with your superior basketball mind:

-"He will be a bad rebounder on the NBA": Career 8 rbds per game on just 28 min of play.

-"His FG% will suck on the NBA": Career 52 FG% shooter.

-"Scola didn't want to play for the Spurs": Well he just said on an interview that he was really disapointed he didn't get to play here 'cause the Spurs were his favorite team (and still are, behind the Rockets of course)

You sure know what you're talking about when it comes to Scola.

[whottt]

That's not true, he's just a better overall player than them.

I recomend you to stop talking about Scola 'cause you have always been wrong about him which leads to you getting owned everytime you do it.

Let's recap some of the predictions you came up with your superior basketball mind:

-"He will be a bad rebounder on the NBA": Career 8 rbds per game on just 28 min of play.

-"His FG% will suck on the NBA": Career 52 FG% shooter.

-"Scola didn't want to play for the Spurs": Well he just said on an interview that he was really disapointed he didn't get to play here 'cause the Spurs were his favorite team (and still are, behind the Rockets of course)

You sure know what you're talking about when it comes to Scola.

Link to me making the predictions? I'd like a link to that?

With your concept of proof it ought be easy for you
You Scola fans own yourselves every time you make a post.

You can't prove , you can't prove Scola has made the Rockets better. He damn sure hasn't made them better than the Spurs. You can't prove the Spurs are worse for this trade. You can't prove his old team is worse for it.

You can only point at some ppg and rb numbers made as the primary big on a ty team, after wins, and say, see?

Do you see that Richard Jefferson?

You can't even prove the Rockets are better with him on the court than they are with him off of it, because any measure you look at, says otherwise.

You can't prove they turned a down a better trade and like an idiot you think Scola's opinion cons utes incontovertable proof of the relationship with the Spurs.

That is like saying the accused murderer is obviously innocent since he clearly says he didn't do anything. It is just like that re . If you are that stupid, you are incapable of owning a turd.

Yeah Scola is a good rebounder, his FG% is prettty good, but his overall numbers aren't much more than a lot of people thought they would be, nor the ultimate impact of his arrival and departure upon his teams.

You have to back up anything you say, the only thing you can do, and you are pretty pathetic about it, is come in here and claim scoreboard after his good games in wins while disappearing after his bad ones.

That and pointing out ppg and rb totals put up on a ty team without regards to anything else is all you do, because it's all you can do.

But hey, at least you get to watch the Scola lead Rockets in the playoffs this year, right?


What really gets me is guys who reveal themselves to the ultimate fence riding ty fans, too afraid to go down with Scola and so instead bandwaggon the better team and taking thier accursed stupidity out upon everyone else.

[DAF86]

Link to me making the predictions? I'd like a link to that?

Wow, are you really going to deny that? I'm pretty sure everybody that has seen your post about Scola a couple of years ago can back up my claim of you saying that.

With your concept of proof it ought be easy for you
You Scola fans own yourselves every time you make a post.

You can't prove , you can't prove Scola has made the Rockets better. He damn sure hasn't made them better than the Spurs. You can't prove the Spurs are worse for this trade. You can't prove his old team is worse for it.

He hasn't made them worst, that's for sure. Also what does this has to do with what we're arguing about.

You can only point at some ppg and rb numbers made as the primary big on a ty team, after wins, and say, see?

Do you see that Richard Jefferson?

I don't think Scola would be putting the same numbers as a Spurs than as a Rocket, but I'm sure he would have been a very important role player for us. Scola is Oberto only a lot more talented.

You can't even prove the Rockets are better with him on the court than they are with him off of it, because any measure you look at, says otherwise.

You can't prove they turned a down a better trade and like an idiot you think Scola's opinion cons utes incontovertable proof of the relationship with the Spurs.

That is like saying the accused murderer is obviously innocent since he clearly says he didn't do anything. It is just like that re . If you are that stupid, you are incapable of owning a turd.

I didn't say anything about Scola's relationship with the Spurs I just said that he wanted to play for the Spurs.

Yeah Scola is a good rebounder, his FG% is prettty good, but his overall numbers aren't much more than a lot of people thought they would be, nor the ultimate impact of his arrival and departure upon his teams.

15 pts, 9 rbds. If you were expecting better you were expecting an all-star and nobody said Scola was going to be an all-star in the NBA.

You have to back up anything you say, the only thing you can do, and you are pretty pathetic about it, is come in here and claim scoreboard after his good games in wins while disappearing after his bad ones.

I don't do that.

That and pointing out ppg and rb totals put up on a ty team without regards to anything else is all you do, because it's all you can do.

But hey, at least you get to watch the Scola lead Rockets in the playoffs this year, right?

I do that just to show you how wrong you were about Scola.

What really gets me is guys who reveal themselves to the ultimate fence riding ty fans, too afraid to go down with Scola and so instead bandwaggon the better team and taking thier accursed stupidity out upon everyone else.

The reason Spurs fans about Scola is 'cause they know he will have been a great player to have on the team.

[whottt]

He hasn't made them worst.

Prove it.

They won 52 games the year before he was traded there.

I don't think Scola would be putting the same numbers as a Spurs than as a Rocket, but I'm sure he would have been a very important role player for us. Scola is Oberto only a lot more talented.

No he's not Oberto. He's not as good of a defensive player as Oberto was. And since you are so familiar with my posts why don't you scroll back far enough to find the one where I wanted the Spurs to sign Oberto in 2003.

I didn't say anything about Scola's relationship with the Spurs I just said that he wanted to play for the Spurs.

And he also said it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all. What Scola says is one thing.....

15 pts, 9 rbds. If you were expecting better you were expecting an all-star and nobody said Scola was going to be an all-star in the NBA.

Well actually people were expecting that and it's not that great anyway, as you said, and I agree, he would not be putting up those numbers for the Spurs.

Those numbers are meaningful as Richard Jefferson's numbers of last year.

So like I was saying...all you guys can do is point to empty numbers after wins.

I don't do that.



I do that just to show you how wrong you were about Scola.



The reason Spurs fans about Scola is 'cause they know he will have been a great player to have on the team.

Well and the first thing that invalidates the intelligence of those that do so is the fact that it accomplishes exactly jack other than laying a giant turd in the middle of the forum to do so. Since it can be changed, even if Scola was the greatest player ever.

So what does that make the Scola whiners?

Redundant.
Irrelevant.
Pointless.
Useless.

And stupid.

Laker Fans didn't this much when they traded Shaq, and Shaq actually won a le for the team they traded him to. So go ahead and add obnoxious to the list, and then go watch the excellence of Scola on the champion Rockets.

[DAF86]

Prove it.

They won 52 games the year before he was traded there.

They had an in form McGrady and Yao, besides the only time the Rockets made it past the first round of the playoffs in the last few seasons was last season with Scola on the team.

No he's not Oberto. He's not as good of a defensive player as Oberto was. And since you are so familiar with my posts why don't you scroll back far enough to find the one where I wanted the Spurs to sign Oberto in 2003.

You're right, he's not Oberto, he's a lot better. And I don't know what facts you see to say that Oberto is better than Scola defensively. Scola is faster, Quicker, stronger, hustles just as hard as Fabricio. He also gets more steals and rebounds.

I don't know what you said about Oberto but if you didn't want him on the team that just goes to show you how much you know about this. Or are you also going to argue that Oberto was a very good contributor to the Spurs?

And he also said it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all. What Scola says is one thing.....

So? That doesn't change the fact that he wanted to play for the Spurs.

Well actually people were expecting that and it's not that great anyway, as you said, and I agree, he would not be putting up those numbers for the Spurs.

Those numbers are meaningful as Richard Jefferson's numbers of last year.

So like I was saying...all you guys can do is point to empty numbers after wins.

The Rockets made it farther than the Spurs last season, it's not like he has been playing for a crappy team all his NBA career.

Well and the first thing that invalidates the intelligence of those that do so is the fact that it accomplishes exactly jack other than laying a giant turd in the middle of the forum to do so. Since it can be changed, even if Scola was the greatest player ever.

So what does that make the Scola whiners?

Redundant.
Irrelevant.
Pointless.
Useless.

And stupid.

Laker Fans didn't this much when they traded Shaq, and Shaq actually won a le for the team they traded him to. So go ahead and add obnoxious to the list, and then go watch the excellence of Scola on the champion Rockets.

Let's say the Spurs would have traded Manu's rights to the Rockets in 2002, you would now be saying that that wasn't a bad trade 'cause Manu and the Rockets didn't win a championship?

[whottt]

They had an in form McGrady and Yao, besides the only time the Rockets made it past the first round of the playoffs in the last few seasons was last season with Scola on the team.




You're right, he's not Oberto, he's a lot better. And I don't know what facts you see to say that Oberto is better than Scola defensively. Scola is faster, Quicker, stronger, hustles just as hard as Fabricio. He also gets more steals and rebounds.

I don't know what you said about Oberto but if you didn't want him on the team that just goes to show you how much you know about this. Or are you also going to argue that Oberto was a very good contributor to the Spurs?



So? That doesn't change the fact that he wanted to play for the Spurs.




The Rockets made it farther than the Spurs last season, it's not like he has been playing for a crappy team all his NBA career.




Let's say the Spurs would have traded Manu's rights to the Rockets in 2002, you would now be saying that that wasn't a bad trade 'cause Manu and the Rockets didn't win a championship?

While I agree with absolutely nothing you said, even if it is all true and even if the Spurs did trade Manu in 2002, I would still consider it beyond stupid and pointless to still be ing about it now. So you can imagine how I feel about it when it is done over a glorified scrub who would not have made a difference in this teams' championship hopes, this season, or any of the others he has been in the NBA, not to mention any of the 3 champions Manu played on or any other teams the Spurs have had in the Duncan era.

[iminol]

who cares scola now, mom and daugher mercyyy.

[mogrovejo]

Scola is an excellent, terrific, role-player. If he's your 4th best player, there's a good chance you have one of the bests team in the NBA.

[whottt]

If he's your 4th best player, there's a good chance you have one of the bests team in the NBA.

Sincerely, R. Jefferson

[urunobili]

Sincerely, R. Jefferson

and the obsession continues...

ST won't be the same the day finally whottt agrees that Scola > Bonner and probably top 10 PF's in the game...

[whottt]

And you guys continue to operate under delusions. At best, the Spurs brass do not even like, Scola, yet you think he would have gotten minutes at the PF slot over the guy who appears to be Pop's all time favorite player, Michael Finley.

Would not have happened.



Even if Scola never said a cross word about the Spurs and wanted nothing more than to play for them, Pop and RC still obviously did not like him...so no, he would not have contributed significantly here.

And pretty obviously, our problems are related to our inability to defend and alter shots in the paint, something Scola does not do. Scola still gets lifted in crunch time for the Rockets and Adelman isn't near the defense oriented coach Pop is.

Reality.


Bottom line, you guys do nothing but look at point and rebound totals. They mean nothing when it comes to the Spurs. And they really don't mean much unless they are in a positive context, and I am sorry but Scola's banner season is not coming in a positive context.

There was once a player named Shareef Abdur Rahim who was a statisticl marvel, 20pts, 10bds, shot a great pct, could block shots...was a total non-factor in his teams performances. They didn't miss him when he left, they didn't improve when he came there. Pretty much exactly like Scola, only with more NBA ability.


I'm going to assume that you guys will become more kknowledgable as you watch more basketball, once that happens you will see how simplistic your mindset was, unless you are obtuse like a couple of long time posters on this board are.

[mogrovejo]

Sincerely, R. Jefferson

Scola is better than Jefferson today and makes a fraction of his salary.

If the Spurs could trade Jefferson for Scola tomorrow, believe me they would, even if you think Bufford and Pop don't like Scola. They made a huge mistake evaluating Scola's value. happens.

[DAF86]

And you guys continue to operate under that delusion, that, at best, the Spurs brass do not even like, Scola, would have gotten minutes at the PF slot over the guy who appears to be Pop's all time favorite player, Michael Finley.

Would not have happened.


Even if Scola never said a cross word about the Spurs and wanted nothing more than to play him, Pop and RC still obviously did not like him...so no, he would not have contributed significantly here.

And pretty obviously, our problems are related to our inability to defend and alter shots in the paint, something Scola does not do. Scola still gets lifted in crunch time for the Rockets and Adelman isn't near the defense oriented coach Pop is.

That used to happen sometimes when Landry was on the team, now he plays at the end of games.